You might as well add an official DPS log to the game...

[Gurgeh]

...
Got kicked? So what - just go to the next one.
People shouldn't allways get all emotional about things like this.

Yeah, just getting rid of kick and leaving it like that isn't workable on its own.
But would be as a replacement is being able to flag people as 'This player account can't join PF's *I* lead for 24 hours', and your PFs are hidden from them.
If they want to use third party tools to 'see' that you've blocked them for 24 hours, that's their problem. If they act out and get vindictive, that's something SE can deal with. If you know them out of game in a disocrd, that's your problem.
Then you just leave the party your self, and setup another. If others want to leave with you, great. If not, great for them.
Like I say, another essential ingredient is that games are recorded to SE can go in and look for genuine griefers, and that they are then using that capability.
Then it's like you say, one problem player, and you just setup another PF.

[Deejudanne]

The sickness is SQEX sloppy (untested) stat adjustments due to the Christmas delay.
The log checkers are just a symptom.
If SQEX balanced the battles better, they wouldn't have to kick you out.


You say you're not allowed to kick the (known ahead) problems, but at the same time you say it's frustrating to disband after the third pull because of them.
Decide?


Got kicked? So what - just go to the next one.
People shouldn't allways get all emotional about things like this.

careful, common sense angers people

[Valence]

There exists no future in which raiding scene in XIV does not use dps meters, having one built-in into the game would only bring information parity to all players. Again, I strongly recommend watching that Dan Olson's talk (which given the timeline of responses you haven't). Requiring that other people use food, pots, and perform somewhat competently at their job is itself not toxic, but refusing to adhere to those social norms and still expecting to do high end content is. There is a level of pettiness at which this becomes unhealthy (which Olson also covers), to say nothing of language that players can sometimes employ, but it's much easier for a company to control and police the language people use in game, than it is to control or police social norms they develop.

It's all fine and dandy to speak about social norms when you can ask to a thousand different players and you'll get a thousand different answers, especially when it comes to what degree of dps or what degree of mechanical/execution mistake is tolerated.

[Doki]

The most silly part of it is, on Tuesday reclears I joined and was silently kicked from 3 different elitist PF groups... and then easily got clear in 4th group, no fuss no muss.

[MayuAmakura]

I got kicked once because my profile on lodestone was set to private so nobody can trace anything. Party leader got mad that i'm "hiding something". He quickly went to my blacklist.
Second time I got kicked from a farm party where I helped leader kill chaotic raid as his skills were quite lacking. Then decided to shout his pf onto every city to talk about what he done. Needless to say, his pf went out quickly as people started to leave. Got what he deserved.

Now honestly silent kicks are bad. Either say what is wrong or don't do it. If you do, there will be people like me who are ready to do everything to show consequences said actions.

[Reimmi]

The kick itself is then illegal, as it is an act of harassment using third-party tools. Your only real alternative under the TOS is to Vote Abandon, disband the party, and try again.

Missed the point, thank you

[VeyaAkemi]

The kick itself is then illegal, as it is an act of harassment using third-party tools. Your only real alternative under the TOS is to Vote Abandon, disband the party, and try again.

You know what, sod it, I will bite.



Why are you so invested in securing a spot in the party of someone who, very clearly, is uncomfortable by your presence for whatever reason it may be, and doesn't want you there? it feels dedicated to making the whole experience uncomfortable, why would you do that, instead of just finding a new party where proper expectations are set?

[Aidorouge]

There exists no future in which raiding scene in XIV does not use dps meters, having one built-in into the game would only bring information parity to all players. Again, I strongly recommend watching that Dan Olson's talk (which given the timeline of responses you haven't). Requiring that other people use food, pots, and perform somewhat competently at their job is itself not toxic, but refusing to adhere to those social norms and still expecting to do high end content is. There is a level of pettiness at which this becomes unhealthy (which Olson also covers), to say nothing of language that players can sometimes employ, but it's much easier for a company to control and police the language people use in game, than it is to control or police social norms they develop.

I don't do hardcore content in the first place, so I don't care about these supposed "social norms" which are effectively made up rules at the end of the day not stated or enforced by Square-Enix beyond weirdly defined terms in the ToS (to which I wonder if TwiceDamned is trying to show how the rules contradict themselves with regards to who is impacting who), and this Olson person sounds annoying if they're making video essays over trying to justify DPS meters, so I'd rather not taint my YouTube recommendations.

All you've really done is serve to remind that even if I had the skills and knowledge for hardcore content, I would never want to do it with hardcore players because they always come off as some miserable employment agency trying to convince me to apply for a 2nd job, and rather then stopping and asking themselves if the demands of the content make any sense (or are even fun), they continue whining about how they can't perfectly curate their work shift to give them 7 unicorn coworkers.

[TwiceDamned]

HEY!

BUDDY!

Don't say that!

That's not very gnarly of you, brah!

Be nice .. or the wolf has to come out.

He already has, on this side of the situation.

[TwiceDamned]

nah its totally legit to kick someone out of my own party who holds the party back, not matter what game ff14 included

Then you report the "bad player" for obstructing you.