Sincere Question...No Troll...Has SE Gone Full Regress?!?!

[Deejudanne]

it has glowy weapons to offer at the end, and most people here make the first relic step out to be the worst thing they ever did even tho if you just do it for like an hour or two each evening (not even in OC) you can have the relic together by the end of the week, its not that hard and the second step is also done pretty fast so i seriously dont know why people complain about it here we finally have a piece of casual content thats not done in 2 hours and thats also wrong

people complaining about grinding in an mmorpg will never not be funny to me

[TheRealMadruck]

people complaining about grinding in an mmorpg will never not be funny to me

This has nothing to do with people complaining about grinding in an MMO. As I stated when I first made this post, I have completed every Bozja Relic, 85% of the Heavensward Relics, and three Zodiac Brave weapons—so I certainly know what it means to grind!

Any version of a grind that relies on pure RNG rather than progression is lazy design. Instead of giving players a clear goal to achieve, developers who create grinds like this are essentially saying, "We can't come up with a meaningful step for this stage of progression, so let’s just put a slot machine into the grind because we care more about subscription numbers than the quality of content because the RNG will keep players playing to get this done."

So please, stop defending Square Enix on this. If you think putting slot-machine-style progression into an MMO is good design, then, with all due respect, I feel you are lost. Even in FF11, which had a lot of RNG, the Job weapons and armor relied on a deterministic progression system where you acquired currency to unlock your gear. You had a clear, direct way to gauge your progress.

In FF14, both Atma grinds offer no such thing; they are based on pure gambling. If it were another light grind, for example, would I be saying, "Oh yeah, this is the best ever"? No, of course not. Yet, I would be ten times less vocal because you would actually know where you stand! That is the difference between pure developer laziness and competent design.

[Kaurhz]

people complaining about grinding in an mmorpg will never not be funny to me

People thinking this is an MMO because it's given us an 8-hour grind in 4-months will never not be funny to me.

[Deejudanne]

People thinking this is an MMO because it's given us an 8-hour grind in 4-months will never not be funny to me.

Your opinion doesn't change the fact that it is an MMO.

[Kaurhz]

Your opinion doesn't change the fact that it is an MMO.

Wooosh....

[theunhappypotato]

people complaining about grinding in an mmorpg will never not be funny to me

same i'm glad we finally got some content that had a shelf life of more than 2 days (except savage) and sure its mindnumbing but all the other relic grinds are mind numbing too, and its a one time only thing so i dont really see an issue here