Let us block duties from roulette

[Minarisweet]

I'm curious as to how this data was collected? I hit Dohn Mheg 3 times on my alt this week, each of them had a new player, I also hit Copperbell and Tower of Babil, each of them had a new player in them. Based on that limited piece of evidence, it doesn't track with what you have said. Berar in mind, we are going to need data points from a vast array of people, each one who would have had to collect data on who has what unlocked as well as the level of the jobs that are in the duty, was this all done in one expansion or was the data collected over multiple expansions? So many variables that I highly doubt anyone has taken the time to collect it all accurately and then correctly interpret the results. So, to me, this list sounds like speculation at best based on what is likely a biased assumption drawn from the way the human brain works.

I think its okay to have the benefit of the doubt for how statistics are collected but as to your own experiences, they are just that your own experiences.

In contrast to your own experiences i keep getting crystal towers where there isnt a single sprout in sight for my alliance roulettes despite all the methods they applied to make sure that isnt the case, but then again thats just my own experience and not anything else.

[Striker44]

I'm curious as to how this data was collected? I hit Dohn Mheg 3 times on my alt this week, each of them had a new player, I also hit Copperbell and Tower of Babil, each of them had a new player in them. Based on that limited piece of evidence, it doesn't track with what you have said. Berar in mind, we are going to need data points from a vast array of people, each one who would have had to collect data on who has what unlocked as well as the level of the jobs that are in the duty, was this all done in one expansion or was the data collected over multiple expansions? So many variables that I highly doubt anyone has taken the time to collect it all accurately and then correctly interpret the results. So, to me, this list sounds like speculation at best based on what is likely a biased assumption drawn from the way the human brain works.

Usually when people use phrases like "overwhelming empirical evidence" while not citing a single shred of it, it means there is no evidence whatsoever and they're just pulling something out of their rear because of whatever personal grievance they have or whatever falsity they've utterly convinced themselves must actually be true.

In contrast to your own experiences i keep getting crystal towers where there isnt a single sprout in sight for my alliance roulettes despite all the methods they applied to make sure that isnt the case, but then again thats just my own experience and not anything else.

CT will always be the most common Alliance Roulette even if there aren't any sprouts because it's the lowest-level set of instances and the only one people are required to unlock. For example, I'm not a sprout, but when I get ARR Alliance Raid as part of my WT, I queue for Alliance Raid on one of my classes that's between 50-59. That guarantees whatever other 23 people I'm grouped with will be getting a CT raid no matter what levels or how long they've been around. SE has taken steps to minimize the *disparity* between the raids, but basic math and basic logic says the CT ones will always be significantly more common than the rest. The only thing they could really do to lessen the disparity further is require people to unlock every possible Alliance Raid up to their level in order to join the queue.

[s32ialx]

Oh, this again.




There is overwhelming empirical evidence that the duty roulette does not:

• Choose between each possible duty evenly
• Prioritize duties that people are sitting forever in queues for
• Prioritize duties with first-timers

If it truly did even one of those things, much less all three, then it would not be an issue. If you went to a real roulette table and the ball landed on the same 1-3 results as consistently as this game does, they would most likely escort everyone there to a new table.

This sooo much this, you don't know how many times I have been handed Sastasha, Copperbell Mines or Haukke Manor or Bowel of Embers Level 20 trial etc, for my roulettes and guess what, not a single player in the party was below level 70 on the role they were on, cause you can inspect their actual levels in the party window, but because it was roulette and one or two of the other members were randoms more often than not it's just 1 extra random but as I stated that one or two randoms are level 70+ on their job that they are actively using in the dungeon.

[Aidorouge]

This sooo much this, you don't know how many times I have been handed Sastasha, Copperbell Mines or Haukke Manor or Bowel of Embers Level 20 trial etc, for my roulettes and guess what, not a single player in the party was below level 70 on the role they were on, cause you can inspect their actual levels in the party window, but because it was roulette and one or two of the other members were randoms more often than not it's just 1 extra random but as I stated that one or two randoms are level 70+ on their job that they are actively using in the dungeon.

My personal favorite was getting pulled into Sastasha with a GNB, DNC, RPR, and SGE. (I was the RPR.) Gotta wonder who was standing in that queue for so long that Square-Enix insisted we needed to be sent there to help them, or who among us was the sprout still doing the MSQ, lol.

Admittedly, it IS possible to have unlocked all of those jobs just by reaching the appropriate level and talking to their respective NPC in the various starting cities. But like, none of us were watching cutscenes and nobody was obviously new since we were operating with precision to clear the whole thing. So unless it was somebody's alt that had purposefully put off doing dungeons until at least level 60, or had bought a level skip for a job without a story skip... how the hell did we all end up in Sastasha?
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I mean, I wasn't really talking about whether or not the content was fun or worth doing. At this point, I'm kind of inclined to agree it really isn't, and I don't normally do roulettes myself because I don't find them all that enjoyable. I just know it'd be awful for the game long-term if CS3 gave people the ability to blacklist and they started blacklisting ARR dungeons or Crystal Tower, not to mention it would make grinding Mogtomes a little more rewarding than it should be. The roulette rewards are for you contributing to the community and putting the MM in MMORPG, not for simply completing old content.

I might be fine with it if they get rid of all of the normal tomestone rewards and just offer people 10-30 poetics if they blacklist anything.

This is why I'm an advocate for having Trusts in all mandatory MSQ content (side content less so) to at least ensure the stuff that MUST be done remains doable regardless of the number of players around to do it. I wouldn't even be adverse to Trust versions giving minimal/zero rewards since the idea is to play it for the story, and not farm things.

And technically there's already one way to rig the roulette, by just refusing to unlock certain content. Crystal Tower versus the other alliance raids is the obvious one, but there's also people out there that only unlock as much of Alexander as they need to for normal raid roulette, or deliberately avoid the relic weapon ARR trials or anything related to Hildebrand.

[UkcsAlias]

It's a roulette, there is always a chance you get something good or something bad, that's what makes it a roulette.

Roulette has an equal distribution of numbers, and depending on which roulette version you do, you can alter some of its odds. With alliance raids, this means at least the expensions should be equaly often showing up in relation to the playerbase.

Even if only 50% of the players have all EW and Shb raids unlocked, This should already be equal to the number of players with ARR raids. And therefor these 2 raid sets should show up as often as the ARR raids do. But the ARR raids show up nearly 50% of the time. Which is complely out of balance. It means the other raids need less than 10% of the players having it unlocked for it to be a proper roulette.

I still found it a waste that they broke up the 2 MSQ duties to be 2 dungeons and a trial, while these could have been converted to an MSQ alliance raid instead. The latest raids have voices in them... surely they could have done the effort here as well. That would then have given 5 MSQ alliance raids, and the ARR raids could have been removed from the AR roulette.

[TwiceDamned]

As much as I groan about certain duties, isn't that the entire point of a roulette?

[Chajii]

It would be one of the biggest qol features we could get and solve the "I only get Crystal Tower in alliance roulette" problem too. If that is not possible at least give us a sympathy feature toggle that will block out that duty from roulette if you happen to get it like 10 times in a row.

For this specific problem, I think it would be better to instead ask for giving more reasons to unlock other alliance raid series.

As it is right now, Crystal Tower is the only mandatory alliance raid (since patch 5.3), and Return to Ivalice (personally the second most series I get from roulette) has the whole Bozja content locked behind; to solve the problem, I think having more things locked behind other alliance raid series (except lore and glam as they apply to all content) would encourage more players to unlock the other ones.

[Asari5]

its a roulette yes... i guess i just wont do it then.
very helpful to fill lots of groups right?

[Striker44]

its a roulette yes... i guess i just wont do it then.
very helpful to fill lots of groups right?

Lesser of two scenarios. Say 10% of the playerbase decides they won't do a roulette anymore because it contains a certain instance they don't want...but 20% of the playerbase would blacklist that specific instance if given the option. Less groups end up getting filled by allowing the blacklist. You, me, none of us are special snowflakes.

[Minarisweet]

The forums is always so filled of people that dont know the concept of making things better its so odd