Personal Crashout about scholar and astrologian

[Carighan]

Hrm I don't know. The PvP dash is fabulous, of course. But at the same time since we got two charges of Lightspeed we're already a ridiculously mobile caster, and hence it feels weird to get even more mobility when White Mage partially got theirs to offset our Lightspeed.

That is to say, we would probably pay with 1 or even 2 charges of LS to get a dash?

[Azurarok]

AST doesn't need it.
WHM/SGE can correct mistakes or greed more with them, but that's something they need to do more of since they don't offload a chunk of their damage contribution to their party.
Aetherial Shift also fits WHM's reactive design better while also being an okay counterpart to BLM's Aetherial Manipulation.

[Reginald_Cain]

Just give me astrodyne haste and I'll feel perfectly mobile.

[Valence]

As a pvper, AST's pvp dash is an abomination that came out of nowhere for no reason at all. Pure cancer.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

As a pvper, AST's pvp dash is an abomination that came out of nowhere for no reason at all. Pure cancer.

It was certainly eyebrow raising when for some reason one of their designer thinks giving an above average job that's already a hassle to kill off yet another survival tool with shield on top of that would be healthy. Great, for them, I guess. I don't play enough CC to make informed judgment, but even in FL they're already harder to sneeze at on the hands of competent players; I don't think they need anymore swing to the match even further.

That being said, I think PvE wise if people want that dash, then Lightspeed has to return to single charge, made back to 120s, or straight up removed. Ofc, that too would count as homogenization.

[Carighan]

Lightspeed is in itself quite nice, even though at 2 charges it's just too much IMO because the only reason one charge was ever problematic is due to our need to double-weave during burst and them for some reason being unwilling to actually resolve the actual issue, so they stuck a second Lightspeed charge on top as a bandaid, yeah.

But like the WoW Shaman ability it is based on, it feels more unique than just having a dash as a mobility ability.

[Valence]

It was certainly eyebrow raising when for some reason one of their designer thinks giving an above average job that's already a hassle to kill off yet another survival tool with shield on top of that would be healthy. Great, for them, I guess. I don't play enough CC to make informed judgment, but even in FL they're already harder to sneeze at on the hands of competent players; I don't think they need anymore swing to the match even further.

That being said, I think PvE wise if people want that dash, then Lightspeed has to return to single charge, made back to 120s, or straight up removed. Ofc, that too would count as homogenization.

To be fair when I say "for no reason at all", I know what is the actual reason: they give mobility tools to jobs when there is other abilities in their kit having them to move in order to use them.
For instance, pve WHM received a dash because they do have holy which is melee range. PvP WHM has seraph strike because they do have polymorph that is also melee range.
Pve AST has nothing because they don't have anything requiring movement. Pvp AST has epicycle because lord and lady are point blank, over a pretty wide area actually, but point blank not at 20+ yalms. Epicycle is just solving this little constraint with a literally tsar bomba unfortunately.

[ForsakenRoe]

To be fair when I say "for no reason at all", I know what is the actual reason: they give mobility tools to jobs when there is other abilities in their kit having them to move in order to use them.
For instance, pve WHM received a dash because they do have holy which is melee range. PvP WHM has seraph strike because they do have polymorph that is also melee range.
Pve AST has nothing because they don't have anything requiring movement. Pvp AST has epicycle because lord and lady are point blank, over a pretty wide area actually, but point blank not at 20+ yalms. Epicycle is just solving this little constraint with a literally tsar bomba unfortunately.

WHM's PVE Holy has a larger (or equal to AST) radius than the other Healer's AOE attacks. Art of War and Dyskrasia are 5y radius, Holy and Gravity are 8y. To say that WHM's justification for having a dash is the 'range on Holy' is a bit silly, because by that logic, SCH needed it far more. Miracle of Nature is also a 10y action, yes it's a shorter range than most actions, but still not really what I'd call 'melee range'

PVP AST did not need Epicycle. It already had a very potent burst combo it could pull off, and Macrocosmos'/Lord's range were still possible to work around. Now, though, instead of catching a couple of the enemy team with the edge of the Macro/Lord, you can dive in and tactical-nuke the whole enemy alliance, and it even comes with the get-out-of-jail-free-card followup action

Back to PVE though, isn't it incredible how we were told by certain naysayers for so long that 'we can't have more damage actions for Healers, there's no room on the hotbars, think about the action bloat!' Crazy how we managed to find space for the WHM dash, then, isn't it? Also, crazy how as soon as one Job in a role gets a tool, everyone wants the tool. First it happened to Tanks when DRK got Plunge in HW (then every Tank eventually got a 'dash to enemy'), It's happened with Melee DPS (every one of them now has some form of gapcloser), now we see it with Healers with people seeing SGE's Icarus and going 'what about me I'm so immobile SE pls'. What happened to 'homogenization bad'

[Carighan]

Ah that explains why they gave PvP AST the dash + teleport back though, to use the LB more effectively.