Discussion: User Created UI Addons?

[Tonkra]

I'm one of the very few people on these forums who actually work in this Industry. I'm sorry, but this is one subject you cannot give a community the benefit of the doubt on. Every MMO that has ever had Mods has had Cheat mods. That is just the way people work. They make things as easy as possible instead of playing the game as intended.

You cannot give the community the ability to Add features to a game and not expect them to Cheat.

thats a good point. and thats what i meant.

im ok with offline rpgs, people can mod or cheat their asses off in offline singleplayer rpgs if they want to.. nobody will ever be disturbed by that. i dont mind if they cheat the game itself.

from the developers it is NOT intended to let the players see how far they are away from a specific monster, otherwise they would have implemented things like these for their own UI (range metre as an example) why making those numbers visible for players? its like making visible the next chess stroke from the PC in a chess game... i cant seriously understand those people to make everything more easier, as it was supposed to be.. how about a UI feature where you see the cooldown of the enemies abillities? well that would be somethin?

a game where you experience the gameplay on YOUR OWN. i think you forgot what a game is supposed to be.
where are the arguments that you SHOULD be able to see unvisible informations like these? nobody from the +pro side could ever tell me (in an objective way!)

If you want XI back, what do you do in here? >>http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/ The game is still running you know.

you could also say the same thing to the wide WoW audience in here "what do you do in here?"

such an WoW arrogant behaviour in here, seriously. and you know.. WoW is also still running.

[Antipika]

you could also say the same thing to the wide WoW audience in here "what do you do in here?"

Wanting an UI that works = wanting to play WoW? It's not even like WoW invented that also.

[Tonkra]

Wanting an UI that works = wanting to play WoW?

ehm and in her opinion the FFXI UI is something that works = wanting to play FFXI? (how you told her)

its just annoying to see such ignorant postings from people who seriously want to have "World of Final Fantasy", it makes me just sick. i cant hear it anymore.

my opinion remains the same. people can cheat and mod their "asses off" in singleplayer rpgs because no one is disturbed by it. but in my opinion people should not make hidden numbers visible, if it was not intended by the developers! if so they would have implemented that in their own UI. what about a UI feature which makes the re-use timer of monster/boss abillities visible? -> easy win? as i said, im not a fan of UI "addons" in an Online Game. We can easily play without that shit (we did so in many Final Fantasys)


yea.. and people complain about a stat booster in the re-release version of FF7... its so true.

[Antipika]

What you still fail to understand is that even if something is not implemented, players will find way around it and use parsers etc. You can parse XIV actually, without even breaching the ToS (the logs are exported by using a native functionality and the parser doesn't need to hook itself directly to the game process).

As for:

ehm and in her opinion the FFXI UI is something that works = wanting to play FFXI?

The FF XI UI doesn't work. The game is getting a new UI for a reason. Also how many PC players did use third party tools on XI? Lot of them, which obviously mean that there was an issue with the UI from the start. If the vanilla UI is fine, why would I bother to breach the ToS and use third party tools?

And don't tell me that only min/maxers did so. Even people not caring about endgame and such had Windower+plugins installed. It wasn't (only) about performance, it was about convenience.

[Tonkra]

The FF XI UI doesn't work.

your opinion. not hers. your opinion is also that WoW has the best UI system. which isnt my opinion also... so...

What you still fail to understand is that even if something is not implemented, players will find way around it and use parsers etc. You can parse XIV actually, without even breaching the ToS (the logs are exported by using a native functionality and the parser doesn't need to hook itself directly to the game process).

Well parsing should be also not allowed, why shall it? you make invisible numbers visible for players.. isnt that kind of hacking/cheating/modding/manipulating around the game client, whatever? for what do you need it?

Tell me please why people should be able to see these things, if they are not implemented by the developer?

Bots are also not implemented and are highly used...

And one serious question.. do you need mods, to play a game? do you need mods/cheats, to be successfull in a game? did you need mods in offline final fantasys for being effective? just tell me, why we should need ugly user interfaces? to have advantages against players who dont use it?

in an online game? seriously is this your intention? i mean there was also a big base of players in Diablo II battlenet, which cheated their asses off. i think such a clientele enjoys having mods in MMorpgs too.

but please eleborate.

[Antipika]

Blabla

I'm not going to try and elaborate when I have in front of me someone whose knowledge in term of MMORPG is that low. You wouldn't understand anyway.

"Parser shouldn't be allowed" lol... As soon as numbers are visible and written anywhere (log, screen etc.) then you can parse. Do you know what parsing mean? Are you aware that it can be done with a piece of paper and a pen?

I'd like to know how SE will prevents me to use a paper and a pen to calculate my average damage.

[Tonkra]

Do you know what parsing mean? Are you aware that it can be done with a piece of paper and a pen?

I'd like to know how SE will prevents me to use a paper and a pen to calculate my average damage.

its not only about a dmg metre.. and your writing doesnt make you more sympathetic or intelligent, seriously. you dont have to blame people to have opinions about mods in an online game.

"knowledge of MMorpgs is that low" oh boo*.. you are such a pro gamer. at least im not refering to a casual game like WoW all the time and crying for "features" like addons, because you are unable to play without them or you want to have that exact playstyle which you had in WoW.
this is final fantasy and not WoW. thank you.

really these aggressive comments speak for these "so-pro-called wow community" which uses mods/addons and what the heck ever. i mean just go ahead. trust me, i played lots of MMorpgs and survived without addons. now you are going to come along and tell me that i dont need to use these addons.

but on the other side it gives you advantages in comparison to other players who dont use those "mods". and thats a fact. it seems that you want to have these "advantages" because you call yourself a "programer"

*sigh... really.. its so sad.
im wondering how the hell someone ever could beat the final bosses in other final fantasys without mods and user interface addons.


at least its an online game, so it should be exactly the same for all players and not for 2-3 peops who want manipulate/to mod the game. its ok when people want to change the interfaces appearance.. but do we need really "extra functions" which havent been intended from the developers?
the question is what is legal and what should not be allowed to use?
this is not an offline rpg like skyrim, where i dont care how many mods and cheats a player uses. here you play with and against other players.

well im out of this "discussion". use your addons/mods/cheats what the heck ever, and be happy.