Discussion: User Created UI Addons?

[kazaran]

SE has always been firm about balance between versions, and not usign anything that gives more advantage over others. WIth the PS3 version, there will be a limit to addons.

PArasersare not completly accurate. You cna run 3 parsers and get 3 different numbers. THe battle system and fights are also different. IF you want to have an idea of your own damage to improve yourself, then fine, as long as you realize the parser is a ruff idea, most can visually see damage they are doing and realize what stats are helping more.

Then again DPS is not the only aspect. FOr BLm's, THMS, and other dps, constint high DPS is bad. You will have more duties then spamming spells at a mob. A better hate meter is more of a benifit then a parser.

If you are going to use some random parser to spam your DPS in a party situation, then you will probably annoy more people then having any benifit. Especially if you were not paying attention to the fight grabbed hate and whiped the party. Heavy DPS classes can do that easily. BLM's can grab hate in 2-3 casts. So it's tiem to back off.

Currently, a player with large sums of gil and the ability to meld IV materia, will out parse the adverage player. But said materia will actually mean you need to watch damage even more. HAndy for the tank, not so much for casters and other dps that can't afford to grab to much attention.

Other MMO battle system don't have such an easy hate grabbing ability.

[Laughlyn]

Anitipika got a valid point.

FFXIV as it is now, wouldnt benefit from many, or any addons in its current state.

This is mainly because of the battle-mechanics, at the moment its not even close to FFXI or WoW "quality".
(sorry, dont really know how to put it better....)

However, we are seeing more & more progress regarding these things.

[Antipika]

Don't bother arguing with Tonkra, it's a lost cause :d I gave up on that ><

[Wolfie]

I honestly don't know what makes people think that "allowing addons" is an on/off switch that gives the players full access to all game code. That's not how that works guys.

[Ptolemy]

Player 1: Hi party! thanks for inviting me!

Player 2: "Shows dps meters"

Player 1: Oh nice dps everyone!

Player 2: "Shows dps meters"

Player 2: "Shows dps meters"

Player 2: "Shows dps meters"

Player 1: Ok, we know where everyone is at already...

Player 2: "Shows dps meters"

Player 2: "Shows dps meters"

Player 2: "Shows dps meters"

Player 2: "Shows dps meters"

Player 3: YOU $%%# BETTER PICK UP THE DPS OR I'LL KICK YOU PLAYER 1 %$#$%

Player 2: "Shows dps meters"

Player 2: "Shows dps meters"

Player 2: "Shows dps meters"

Player 1: ......

Player 3: OK THATS IT OMG$%#$% BYE YOU FCKIN SCRUB!!

Player 1 has been kicked from party.






^Little preview of addons and the "Content finder"

[Wolfie]

some dumb stuff

^Little preview of addons and the "Content finder"

I can count on one hand the number of times I've seen this happen in a pick-up group in 5 years of playing WOW. People rage disband groups before kicking poor players out.

[Ptolemy]

I can count on one hand the number of times I've seen this happen in a pick-up group in 5 years of playing WOW. People rage disband groups before kicking poor players out.

Both happened, alot, Consider yourself lucky to only see a few, i did use that as an example though

[Wolfie]

Both happened, alot, Consider yourself lucky to only see a few, i did use that as an example though, You probably won't see it much but there is other players...

Having DPS meters around or not will have almost no effect on people being d**ks to each other. It happened plenty of times in FFXI, because you can figure out right away if a player isn't pulling their weight. The term "gimp" was thrown around a lot, if I recall correctly.

It's simply not something that is common in pick up groups in WOW. There are penalties for kicking players. The fact that it happens to extremely few people on very rare occasions is not enough of a reason to block addon development.

[Reiterpallasch]

What Ptolemy said has to be one of the dumber things I've read in this thread, 2nd only to everything Tonkra writes.

The only way I've ever seen someone be kicked due to low dps, was when they were doing exceptionally lower than what they should be able to do, and even then it was only in raiding situations. Nobody gives a fuck what damage you do in dungeons, unless it's clear you're afk and not really contributing anything.

If you take 2 similar players of equal ilvl/gear, one is pulling 40k+ dps and the other is doing 15k, then clearly it's an issue of the player being terrible. That type of player will get replaced quickly if they don't improve.

If some baddie has their bad badness exposed due to a parser, that's a good thing, not bad. They now know that A: they're bad and need to improve, or B: their bad self is getting kicked. And kicking a bad player from your party for a good player is never a bad thing. Well, unless you hate progression and like to carry dead weight anyways. In which case you're probably bad and should feel bad for being so bad.