Remove Rescue from the game.

[Aviatorhead]

I can understand the pov of both sides but, I will not budge on this, you canot take it out without replacing it with something either just as good or better. I am sick to bastard death of my fave jobs being picked apart and dumbed down. It cannot keep happening.

Also, you cannot include an 'opt out' because that means in duties where your entire team is rescue proof, or even just half and they're all the people who would need it, you don't have rescue anymore & it's the same as removing it.

So either leave it be or add in something that is the same level of engagement.

[Kelg]

I can understand the pov of both sides but, I will not budge on this, you canot take it out without replacing it with something either just as good or better. I am sick to bastard death of my fave jobs being picked apart and dumbed down. It cannot keep happening.

Also, you cannot include an 'opt out' because that means in duties where your entire team is rescue proof, or even just half and they're all the people who would need it, you don't have rescue anymore & it's the same as removing it.

So either leave it be or add in something that is the same level of engagement.

An ability that removes the agency of other players should be able to be ignored if you choose to. There are too many cases where this can be misused and abused. Why should be you be able to drag me across the arena (trolling or not) if I don't want that?

[Aviatorhead]

An ability that removes the agency of other players should be able to be ignored if you choose to. There are too many cases where this can be misused and abused. Why should be you be able to drag me across the arena (trolling or not) if I don't want that?

Because its a thing you can do in the game? Idk? I'm not interested in this argument. If you don't like the ability, fine, but you need a better solution than deleting it without giving healers anything in return. Making it opt-outable is just deleting it half the time without giving anything in return.

[Kelg]

Because its a thing you can do in the game? Idk? I'm not interested in this argument. If you don't like the ability, fine, but you need a better solution than deleting it without giving healers anything in return. Making it opt-outable is just deleting it half the time without giving anything in return.

Dragging players around senselessly isn't really a good example of something to do. How about they make the healer rotation more than just 2 buttons? That would be a more healthy way to improve the healer experience than allowing them to kill their party members with rescue and ruin the other person's fun.

[Aviatorhead]

Dragging players around senselessly isn't really a good example of something to do. How about they make the healer rotation more than just 2 buttons? That would be a more healthy way to improve the healer experience than allowing them to kill their party members with rescue and ruin the other person's fun.

Probably. But they don't seem to be doing that any time soon. So until then, lets not make healing suck even more.

Also i think in my several years of playing I've only seen someone kill another with rescue once, and it was an accident. I don't think this is an issue in any huge amount that couldn't be solved with like. Words or a report of they were genuinely trying to kill you.

[Daralii]

I can understand the pov of both sides but, I will not budge on this, you canot take it out without replacing it with something either just as good or better. I am sick to bastard death of my fave jobs being picked apart and dumbed down. It cannot keep happening.

Also, you cannot include an 'opt out' because that means in duties where your entire team is rescue proof, or even just half and they're all the people who would need it, you don't have rescue anymore & it's the same as removing it.

So either leave it be or add in something that is the same level of engagement.

Even if it was a teleport with 5 seconds of invulnerability, it would still be possible to grief with it, so it still wouldn't be enough for them.

[ZephyrMenodora]

Also, you cannot include an 'opt out' because that means in duties where your entire team is rescue proof, or even just half and they're all the people who would need it, you don't have rescue anymore & it's the same as removing it.

LOL. So you foresee entire duties of people opting out of being rescued, which would mean it's not an effect most players want cast on them.

Think a little.

[Aviatorhead]

LOL. So you foresee entire duties of people opting out of being rescued, which would mean it's not an effect most players want cast on them.

Think a little.

Literally nowhere did I say that rescue is a perfectly fine ability that everyone should like regardless of their experiences. Just that if you're going to remove or change it in some way, you need to do so in a way that doesn't just. Remove it and give nothing in exchange. That's it. Please read the words I typed and not the ones you imagined.

[ZephyrMenodora]

Literally nowhere did I say that rescue is a perfectly fine ability that everyone should like regardless of their experiences. Just that if you're going to remove or change it in some way, you need to do so in a way that doesn't just. Remove it and give nothing in exchange. That's it. Please read the words I typed and not the ones you imagined.

Take your own advice. Nowhere did I write that you said that, either.

I also never disagreed that if it is removed, that it should be replaced with something else. I upvoted all the posts in this threads with suggestions to do so.

Where I disagree is your stated (which I read...) "all or nothing" position whereas I advocate for an opt-out whether they are ready to replace it or not.

Given the skill is simply not needed at all in most situations, and all content can be cleared without it - it's nuisance potential far outweighs the few niche scenarios I've seen people enjoy it as opposed to the trolling/disorientation/annoyance it causes others. For those who really love the skill for whatever reason, or need it to help their friends who can't do mechanics, I'm fine if they keep it on an opt-out basis. Maybe they should do that, AND give us another skill to use. It's not like we don't have time for another ability.

[Aviatorhead]

Take your own advice. Nowhere did I write that you said that, either.

I also never disagreed that if it is removed, that it should be replaced with something else. I upvoted all the posts in this threads with suggestions to do so.

Where I disagree is your stated (which I read...) "all or nothing" position whereas I advocate for an opt-out whether they are ready to replace it or not.

Given the skill is simply not needed at all in most situations, and all content can be cleared without it - it's nuisance potential far outweighs the few niche scenarios I've seen people enjoy it as opposed to the trolling/disorientation/annoyance it causes others. For those who really love the skill for whatever reason, or need it to help their friends who can't do mechanics, I'm fine if they keep it on an opt-out basis. Maybe they should do that, AND give us another skill to use. It's not like we don't have time for another ability.

Your original reply looks more like insinuating I'm against the removal of rescue but. Whatever. The crux of what I'm saying is in my og reply, 'So either leave it be or add in something that is the same level of engagement' so I wouldn't have much problem with your solution. But it has to be the same level of engagement.

If it's better than rescue then why have rescue? If rescue really is that annoying/disorienting, wouldn't you want to change it for everyone? If its worse than rescue then healers who do use rescue responsibly get a their kit nerfed.