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  1. #1
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    Sunhwapark's Avatar
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    Dear Boy
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    Ragnarok
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    Fisher Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Kelg View Post
    but instead they chose the power trip option of just yanking me away and executing me without warning.
    Did you ask them about the rescue afterwards? I would hope you didn't remain silent.

    If someone is abusing the skill causing intentional PK then they are breaking the rules, if they're also intentionally power tripping it's best to report them. It's not much different from tanks shoving aggro onto a random guy just before a TB because they don't like *that* player.

    I'm personally not against an opt-out for rescue but the problem that you and other people are experiencing will still persist.
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    Kelg Granthal
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    Sargatanas
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    Ninja Lv 100
    I asked them why they did that as I was dead on the ground, and they just said "don't stand there". They tried to stack me with everyone else, but they rescued late so I took every twister and died. Needless to say I left the party immediately afterward. I was having fun farming the fight up until that point.
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    Mira Clearweaver
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    Jenova
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    Conjurer Lv 90
    Painting the whole basket akin after one single bad apple? This is why we can't have nice things.

    It's like the people who despise Rescue cares more about the button than the actual "Rescue Mages".

    The only thing I'd agree of all spoken things from this thread would be improving the response time & make it so the camera don't look like something's physically yanking you because yes, that is visually disorienting & is part of the reason why I dislike being rescued in general (but can still understands why they happens outside trolls). I use it sparingly & had only failed it exactly once in 5.3 in my 'practice days'. That MCH was upset understandably so I just apologized immediately after and made clear of my intent. I get the most use out of it by pulling careless DPS out of their LB animation when a mechanic's happening and it's SATISFYING to witness both the damage going out & they still get to live.
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    Bellsong's Avatar
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    Wondrous Waifu
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    Coeurl
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    Paladin Lv 100
    Trade offer:

    I receive; Not being pulled into certain death.

    You receive; No more of my ire.
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    Bellsong's Avatar
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    Wondrous Waifu
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    Coeurl
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    Paladin Lv 100
    "Lets not make healing suck even more by removing a skill that has nothing to do with healing!"

    Fine, every healer gets a WHM dash. You wanna fling someone across the arena? Fling yourself!

    If that's not good enough then you're just being a little too transparent about wanting to keep your favorite PK tool.
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    Rithris Amaya
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    Twintania
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    Paladin Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Bellsong View Post
    "Lets not make healing suck even more by removing a skill that has nothing to do with healing!"

    Fine, every healer gets a WHM dash. You wanna fling someone across the arena? Fling yourself!

    If that's not good enough then you're just being a little too transparent about wanting to keep your favorite PK tool.
    Its funny because one of the most common suggestions on how to fix healer has Nothing to do with healing as it would be to give them actual fun damage skills to manage, Now like it or not its already a established argument that we should add/keep non heal related tools on healer. So your logic questioning why healers want to keep a support skill already makes zero sense.

    No, not all healers need some dash, Scholar can speed boost the entire team, Astro can instant cast a lot they already have their own mobility, Rescue doesn't even function anything like a self dash as its intended purpose is to get people out of bad positions, not yourself.

    People want to keep it because its actually useful, sure people use it to grief or troll rarely but you can grief and troll by shirking allies and turning off tank stance, you can grief by not doing damage and putting AOEs on people as DPS, Just because a tool CAN be used for griefing doesn't make it a bad tool.

    I guess because FF14 is so squeaky clean with its "balance" now that a ability like even rescue is being called into question, This is why we can't have good job design because people want to prune anything that they don't personally like but other people do like.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bellsong View Post
    So many people don't wanna say what they really wanna say, which is; "Nooo don't take away my ability to kill other players with the plausible deniability of trying to help them!"

    Let's not pretend for a second that rescue is anything more than a pk tool in random parties.
    But I've literally used rescue to save someone from a bad position, where are you running into legions of healers who troll random people with rescue? I don't even remember the last time I was rescued by a random person that ended up putting me in a bad position, sure friends have done it as a joke in a casual dungeon but this generally just doesn't happen with people or even in any serious content.
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    Last edited by Rithy255; 12-31-2025 at 12:01 AM.

  7. #7
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    Aviatorhead's Avatar
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    Honey Slaughter
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    Excalibur
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    Culinarian Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Bellsong View Post
    "Lets not make healing suck even more by removing a skill that has nothing to do with healing!"

    Fine, every healer gets a WHM dash. You wanna fling someone across the arena? Fling yourself!

    If that's not good enough then you're just being a little too transparent about wanting to keep your favorite PK tool.
    I haven't killed anyone with rescue before. And I'm not talking about healing the action but playing healers in general.

    Please stop being over inflammatory, I literally only disagreed with you lol.
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    Wondrous Waifu
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    Coeurl
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    Paladin Lv 100
    All the griefing you listed are painfully obvious forms of trolling, rescue isn't which is the problem with it, and that's part of why people have been asking for it's removal or an option to opt out of it since it's inception, alongside people not liking having control of their character taken from them at another players discretion.

    If your anecdotes are valid, then so are mine because every time I've personally been rescued in DF it's been at best pointless and annoying, and at worst the cause of my death.
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    Alice Rivers
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    Omega
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Bellsong View Post
    All the griefing you listed are painfully obvious forms of trolling, rescue isn't which is the problem with it, and that's part of why people have been asking for it's removal or an option to opt out of it since it's inception, alongside people not liking having control of their character taken from them at another players discretion.

    If your anecdotes are valid, then so are mine because every time I've personally been rescued in DF it's been at best pointless and annoying, and at worst the cause of my death.
    I've only been rescued a few times outside of savage (where-in I actively asked to be rescued because the mechanic wanted me to do something really impractical and rescue was the best solution) and I can't think of a time where I died as a result, usually my reaction is "Oh, okay thanks" only a couple of times where I've known I was safe by a couple of pixels have I thought "aww, aren't you adorable", it sounds to me like people in your region are just doing it horrendously wrong.
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  10. #10
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    Fenixilius Strife
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    Diabolos
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    Sage Lv 100
    An ability that removes a players agency and gives it to another player, is and will always be, a dumb idea. Rescue doesn't work as intended 99% of the time, and 99% of rescue attempts aren't genuine rescues anyway. Its just a troll ability.
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