Remove Rescue from the game.

[StarRosie]

What kind of replacement skill would you propose that both accomplishes the same job as Rescue (if used correctly) but doesn't affect the person's position and can't be used to grief? I'm curious.

As I said in my post, give them an absurdly hefty shield or a 90% DR for a 2 to 3 seconds. This would require the healer to have good timing and knowledge of the fight. So it allows the skill expression crowd to puff their chests while not causing the other players a problem. It allows the "I must save them!" crowd to save folks without taking away someone's autonomy. It gives absolutely psychotic tank and healer duos another tool for doing absurd dungeon pulls. Gives Savage Raiders a new way to cheese stuff. I can't think of anyone who loses in this change, except the people who use rescue with malicious intent. And those people deserve to lose.

"But they still get a vuln!" Yeah, and they learned that hit gives a vuln and you got to save them from dying. Win Win imo. Plus, in 95% of content...a single vuln is not going to cause the entire run to collapse. "But it's a skill that rarely if ever sees use!" One, that's utter BS and you know it. People would not be this against or annoyed of a skill that 'rarely if ever sees use'. It's used a lot, just maybe not as much by you. Two, this change would likely make it see MORE use that is beneficial to the party as a whole. I could rant all day about this. I won't. But boy howdy I could.

[Akivar]

An ability that removes a players agency and gives it to another player, is and will always be, a dumb idea. Rescue doesn't work as intended 99% of the time, and 99% of rescue attempts aren't genuine rescues anyway. Its just a troll ability.

[Alice_Rivers]

All the griefing you listed are painfully obvious forms of trolling, rescue isn't which is the problem with it, and that's part of why people have been asking for it's removal or an option to opt out of it since it's inception, alongside people not liking having control of their character taken from them at another players discretion.

If your anecdotes are valid, then so are mine because every time I've personally been rescued in DF it's been at best pointless and annoying, and at worst the cause of my death.

I've only been rescued a few times outside of savage (where-in I actively asked to be rescued because the mechanic wanted me to do something really impractical and rescue was the best solution) and I can't think of a time where I died as a result, usually my reaction is "Oh, okay thanks" only a couple of times where I've known I was safe by a couple of pixels have I thought "aww, aren't you adorable", it sounds to me like people in your region are just doing it horrendously wrong.

[ZephyrMenodora]

Also, you cannot include an 'opt out' because that means in duties where your entire team is rescue proof, or even just half and they're all the people who would need it, you don't have rescue anymore & it's the same as removing it.

LOL. So you foresee entire duties of people opting out of being rescued, which would mean it's not an effect most players want cast on them.

Think a little.

[0blivion]

I'm not wasting GCDs on DPS dying to random stuff and/or being way lower than the rest of the party. The main people who want Rescue gone are people who are that bad at mechanics or straight up think their greed is worth it, somehow. Or enjoy having DPS to babysit. I do not.

[ZephyrMenodora]

I'm not wasting GCDs on DPS dying to random stuff and/or being way lower than the rest of the party. The main people who want Rescue gone are people who are that bad at mechanics or straight up think their greed is worth it, somehow. Or enjoy having DPS to babysit. I do not.

So instead you are going to babysit them by watching for uses of Rescue. Got it.

[0blivion]

Rescue is an OGCD and can be weaved without affecting my healing. Typically, I just let DPS die to their own ineptitude though, because they gotta learn one way or the other. But if I need them alive, rescue is always better than healing them, because I need my healing for actual regular instances of damage and again, I'm not wasting GCDs on them. Moreover, I'm also not hardressing DPS, because again, they gotta learn.

[0blivion]

For the record, this is for DF only. In PF content, obviously I will raise, but I will not rescue because that's a hassle and I'm bad at the switcheroo thing where you rescue them to their spot and then rush to yours. Still working on it. But if a healer rescues me in a mind-numbingly boring EX because I am spacing out? Or even if I am not but they mean well, regardless of success? I'll be grateful!

[VeyaAkemi]

This whole thread reminds me of a situation in LOTA once, I saw a DPS unwilling to detach from Behemoth, so I walk back a little to compensate for the fact Rescue places them in front of you and not on you, and hit them with Rescue with about 1 and a half second on the Meteor cast, they live, but take the moment to go in chat "I can do the mechanic myself", and, alright, perhaps should've trust them, I mean greeding should be encouraged so people learn to do it properly and all... anyway they died to the second Meteor, fun times.

[Rithy255]

Rescue is an OGCD and can be weaved without affecting my healing. Typically, I just let DPS die to their own ineptitude though, because they gotta learn one way or the other. But if I need them alive, rescue is always better than healing them, because I need my healing for actual regular instances of damage and again, I'm not wasting GCDs on them. Moreover, I'm also not hardressing DPS, because again, they gotta learn.

It's your own ineptitude if your letting your DPS die on purpose as a healer because you can't be bothered. You barely have to use your tools in most forms of content so it's not like you'll need to GCD save a DPS most of the time, and using a GCD to save someone is a damage gain, I'll even use clemency to save a DPS if I have to.

I don't get the ego about not healing players for making mistakes but also playing the support role, you signed up to protect and support your allies when queuing for healer or tank, Play DPS if you don't want to help keep people up for making mistakes. It feels like the same weird mentality of "you pull you tank" like HOW dare someone pull ahead I'm the tank, for that I'll not tank anymore. I just don't get why people need some weird ego about being better then everyone else and griefing your team because you don't like they made a mistake or did something you don't like. Most people wont learn from being downed infact if you refuse to rez them they will not be learning much at all.

Lastly but as I'll point out as your not against rescue that I do think its a good cooldown to help people know "yeah you should be not standing there" rather then simply healing a player. Rescue is a very good teaching tool which to your point of they've got to learn, this actually achieves in a effective way.