Thread: RDM 7.4 changes and job identity

Originally Posted by Infindox

I'm confused what is so "job identity breaking" about it when you're still forced to do the other melee attacks in melee range when it's not up, and did nothing to the rest of the kit. I personally like it; if I know a fight well enough I can choose to save it for when a mechanic forces me away from easy melee range.

Like StriderShinryu said, it's mostly the worry about what comes next.

If this was the very first change for a job or if others hadn't be handled so extremely in the not so distant past, then you would see far less outcry and defensive voices about it.
The problem is that the job designers have a horrible track record of keeping job identity alive and given how other jobs have been handled, the next logical step would be for RDM to loose it's melee range identity and skill expression of it next.
It also doesn't help that the devs are again far too secretive as to what they even plan in 8.0 or what they themselves see as job identity so this change seems like the first step to what they want to do.

The only thought they have shown for the jobs lately was to adjust them for fight designs.
One can like or dislike that but it's a clearly one sided direction without even listening to the other side or giving them alternatives.

Originally Posted by Voidmage

Like StriderShinryu said, it's mostly the worry about what comes next.

If this was the very first change for a job or if others hadn't be handled so extremely in the not so distant past, then you would see far less outcry and defensive voices about it.
The problem is that the job designers have a horrible track record of keeping job identity alive and given how other jobs have been handled, the next logical step would be for RDM to loose it's melee range identity and skill expression of it next.
It also doesn't help that the devs are again far too secretive as to what they even plan in 8.0 or what they themselves see as job identity so this change seems like the first step to what they want to do.

The only thought they have shown for the jobs lately was to adjust them for fight designs.
One can like or dislike that but it's a clearly one sided direction without even listening to the other side or giving them alternatives.

So no real argument, just using the slippery slope fallacy to complain about things that don't currently exist. That's very interesting. I wonder when we can argue whats happening in reality instead of things only in your head :\

Originally Posted by SpookyKobold

So no real argument, just using the slippery slope fallacy to complain about things that don't currently exist. That's very interesting. I wonder when we can argue whats happening in reality instead of things only in your head :\

what is happening is that we now have THE melee hybrid caster in a weird position where almost all of its burst is ranged but sometimes melee. burst that is executed with a sword. at a distance. form a job identity prospective is awful cause now you got a useless sword and gameplay wise its weird cause you are not a caster with a melee phase but a full caster with some weird melee moments. all of this while RDM was released as the "jack of all trades Melee-caster hybrid with mobility and a sword.
is it enough reality for you?

Originally Posted by Solilunaris

what is happening is that we now have THE melee hybrid caster in a weird position where almost all of its burst is ranged but sometimes melee. burst that is executed with a sword. at a distance. form a job identity prospective is awful cause now you got a useless sword and gameplay wise its weird cause you are not a caster with a melee phase but a full caster with some weird melee moments. all of this while RDM was released as the "jack of all trades Melee-caster hybrid with mobility and a sword.
is it enough reality for you?

If you don't like making sword slashes from range during a cooldown, you can still go into melee range. Problem solved.

Originally Posted by Vintersol

If you don't like making sword slashes from range during a cooldown, you can still go into melee range. Problem solved.

Being in melee range for a borderline cosmetic reason and being in melee range because that is part of the challenge you enjoyed about your job are two VERY different things. That's like saying "oh, you don't have to use the gun at long range against the sword user, you can just use it in melee range to be honourable, problem solved".

All casters can optionally go into melee range if they feel like it - for Red Mage it was however an additional challenge for its burst initiation. Said challenge was enjoyable for many who picked up the job from anywhere of its inception in Stormblood to end of 7.3. And if they did not like having this challenge, they had three other casters and three physical ranged DPS to pick from that don't have to do this.

Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Agreed

Melees don’t need to be in melee range, we can open up mechanical complexity by allowing EVERYONE to have 30 yalm distances on every attack. If you want the “fantasy” of being in melee range you can just stay in melee range anyway

#30 yalms for all

Just give everyone a gun and call it an MMO shooter.