Thread: RDM 7.4 changes and job identity

Originally Posted by Kishin12345

Also a funny thing is if yoshi talks about blm identity, he never mentions anything like timer management. He always just describes blm as destruction incarnate, so basically just a selfish high damage caster using destructive fire spells. I think their idea of identity is just completely different to what we think here.
Btw in jp the rdm changes are mostly welcome as far as i could see. One or two disappointed but understanding comments.

If the identity of BLM for some is to just do damage then we can just delete the ice phase and mana costs at this point as well as the cast times.
Make everything instant casts and only explosions.
Funnily enough they already tried that with Paradox and removing it in ice phase because of cold logic.

At this point I think I simply lean back and look at 8.0 unfold.
But I don't see change coming given all that.
All for the sake of the fight design, guys.

I give up here...

I've been saying for a long time that Job Identity and Balance cannot co-exist in the realm of FFXIV. It's one or the other.

People who are new to Red Mage or following "new-gen" takes are claiming the job is rigid. RDM is not locked to a 2-minute meta. We have the active choice to either Mana Rush or Align.

Choosing to rush depends entirely on your group's projected clear time. For example, with a clear time of 7:30, it is objectively better to use Manafication on cooldown, which desyncs it from the 2-minute cycle. Even in a "Triple Melee" reopener, the first combo isn’t even under Embolden. Please be careful with what you say when jumping into RDM discussions if your only perspective is how the job fits into a standardized meta. Remember: Embolden is for the group; your resources are for the encounter.

Please stop spreading misinformation or bashing the developers when RDM is arguably the best-designed caster in the game. If you want to complain, ask for our melee range to be restored rather than demanding a gutting of the kit.

You should take the time to understand the complexity you’re missing: learn the difference between mana rushing, standard alignment, and hybrid play during Ultimate phases. "2-minute meta" is just a buzzword for our class—it’s simply when your group needs embolden and that isn't strictly locked to 2 mins either. If you’re complaining about the 2-minute meta, you’re really just complaining about doing a double-melee combo. If you don't like that, you haven’t liked the job for five years and should have switched by now.



source the balance.

There is hardly an argument for the 2 min meta being an issue for RDM. I won't hear it to be honest.

Originally Posted by RaionKansen

Again, you haven't even engaged with the high end content this expansion.

If people aren't allowed to have an opinion just because they don't engage with hard content then this game is truly done for.
We can then form a council of top raiders and delete anything that isn't savage upwards.
It's why we got the 2min meta in the first place.

The whole "running to tomestones as soon as someone has an opinion on job design" is why people loose their respect for raiders and I personally include myself in the later even if only in a more casual way nowadays aka not doing raids on content.
Fact is, and I think both sides could agree to this, that those changes don't just effect savage raiding but also content below it and despite what some like to think, that content also matters. Problem is though that the devs seemingly have abandoned all form of finding a balance.

Last but not least, just because someone doesn't do high end raiding does not mean they have no idea of their main job. Some simply don't have an interest but would be able to raid.
I have seen enough legend titles fail at simple dungeon mechanics and first time raiders who let those legends look like amateurs.

What I do agree though is that the term white knight is thrown around way too often here.

The changes have been done because of savage and for people who think being in melee range was job identity that is a problem.
I have really no idea why people bring up savage optimization in a thread about job identity.
No one disagrees that the job is easier to handle now and better in some fights, they are annoyed that yet another job got part of it's identity sanded away for the sake of fight design or that they actually liked planning around that thing in the past just like BLM mains liked working around the timer.

Are people unable to accept that players exist who want to have fun with a job in every content instead of only a percentile even if that is fun in itself?

Edit:
Just FYI, this was more a general post and not at you specifically, just using this part of your post.