Thread: RDM 7.4 changes and job identity

Originally Posted by Kishin12345

In a scenario where every other job can do their bursts and you would be the odd one out sitting in your corner hitting embolden and just dual casting, do you really feel that's fair or not? Granted there are not many scenarios like that right now, but i think the changes were meant for the upcoming savage tier and potentially new ultimate. There were some fights where it was tough but not impossible to get off a melee and quickly get out again. P12s p1 or p10s come to my mind. But if getting off the melee becomes an impossibility due to the fights mechanics, i'd rather be able to do my burst from range. It is still just speculation if there will be fights where it will be impossible but the new extreme is already kinda tough to get the melee off in some scenarios.

Just go in as fake melee if you're an RDM in savage.

Originally Posted by Miradelle

Just go in as fake melee if you're an RDM in savage.

That would be the ideal way to handle it, but thanks to the DPS number philosophy shift since Endwalker of melees generally having to be the highest damaging role (sometimes by a large margin), it kind of leads to a soft-forcing of running two true Melee DPS and having Red Mage fight for a ranged position instead.

If damage values were more condensed between DPS roles similar to how it was in Shadowbringers and Stormblood, then running a melee RDM would be far more viable since you can safely play an additional two ranged jobs for the R1/R2 position without sacrificing a lot of damage potential for not running double melee.

But that would require a philosophy shift on part of the balancing team. Red Mage and Summoner utlities are overtaxed to hell anyhow.

Originally Posted by Solilunaris

In that case the implementation of a “positional” was the better system. Max potency from melee range but you can burst from afar for slight less damage. As it is now you have zero incentive to be in melee at all during burst. You just stand there and unload everything for 30 seconds

That would indeed be interesting! I doubt this will happen and i doubt these changes get rolled back, but it would've been a good solution.

Originally Posted by Underscore

It's crazy how backwards the developers' priorities are when it comes to encounter vs job design.

They make a Savage fight where Red Mages can't get in range to do their melee combo during one of the 2 minute windows... and their response to that little dilemma isn't to simply adjust the raid mechanic like any sensible person would, but instead to remove the 2-minute melee combo from the job itself.

What are we doing here? Why are we removing core features of the jobs and taking away their identity across the entire game for the sake of uptime during a single raid mechanic in an individual fight? Fights should be designed around the jobs, not the other way around.

Taking this direction, I have a feeling they might just remove positionals from melees altogether, since there are some recent raids where positionals are ignored anyway.

Originally Posted by Underscore

It's crazy how backwards the developers' priorities are when it comes to encounter vs job design.

They make a Savage fight where Red Mages can't get in range to do their melee combo during one of the 2 minute windows... and their response to that little dilemma isn't to simply adjust the raid mechanic like any sensible person would, but instead to remove the 2-minute melee combo from the job itself.

What are we doing here? Why are we removing core features of the jobs and taking away their identity across the entire game for the sake of uptime during a single raid mechanic in an individual fight? Fights should be designed around the jobs, not the other way around.

Well the way this game evolved over the past expansions has been that the focus lies on the fights. The difficulty comes from the encounter and not the job. So it is natural that they bend the job to the fight when that is the focus. It is probably that they design the fights and then hand it to the job balancing team and tell them to work with that.

You are still going into melee range.
You are still doing no Damage because of your raise.
You are still the least flexible caster because of your melee combo.

All of red mages identity is still here.