Thread: RDM 7.4 changes and job identity

Originally Posted by Valence

Endwalker pvp RDM was interesting in a way, as picking between White or Black Shift would offer defensive/healing or purely offensive options. That's a bit how pvp PCT currently works, albeit in a simplified manner (Comet vs Holy).

But this makes zero sense in the current pve environment because only damage matters.

I liked the dual stance too, it was skillful and very on theme. Disliked the white and black magic circle around me at all times tho..
Unironically believe that PvP has some of the best job identity and mechanics. Hope some stuff leaks into pve.
Coping for 8.0 but hope is very very very fickle

Originally Posted by Valence

It won't leak into pve. It's opposite to their current direction, and pvp tends to collect a lot of abilities that have been removed from the game. It's essentially a pvp retirement zone and quarantine area[...]

The bolded part echoes hard deep into my bones lol.

I recalled screaming a couple of times in healer sub-forum back in ShB days about repurposing SCH's Deployment Tactic into DoT spreading that I noticed people missed (Bane) and I sorely want to give it a try myself. Fast forward to 6.1 they added exactly that - except it was on PvP, splashed with secondary effect with the same old Miasma icon too except it's called Biolytic lmao.

Originally Posted by ForsakenRoe

I despise the idea that 'DOT spread' be tied to Deployment 'cos thats how it is in PVP', because IMO there's a much better candidate for it: Bring back Bane as an upgrade of Energy Drain (I'd stick it at like, level 42 or so, and move ED/Aetherflow back down to level 10 to match the level that ACN learns it at again). It'd make ED useful in AOE situations (ie dungeon trash), lets us keep Deployment Tactics specific to Healing purposes, and makes it far more accessible (3 uses per 60s via Aetherflow, vs Deployment being once per 90s, it wouldn't even be up for every trash pull in a dungeon).

Additionally, change the effect of Bane from 'resets duration, reduces potency by 40%' (or whatever % reduction it had in SB, can't remember exactly). Instead, have it spread with 0% reduction to damage, and NOT reset durations. This then allows for a new effect to be added: spreading Chain Stratagem as if it were a DOT, turning the once-SingleTarget effect into an AOE, and synergising with the followup AOE action, Baneful Impaction.

I don't necessarily hate the idea of tying 'Bane' to Deployment with a caveat: IF there's more way(s) to access multiple uses of Deployments that is not "lol just reduce the cooldown to 30s - 60s and call it a day". If it were to be slapped onto today's Deployment, then yeah that would be.... 'meh' at best, and annoying at worst. Then again, it's not like we use any form of 'Bane' in today's 'awesome raid encounter' outside maybe M6S in recent history.

I wouldn't mind either to have them tied AF-Bane though.

I'm bumping this thread because although I've already put my thoughts in about the melee changes, I need come back in to complain about what the actual worst-feeling change is - having Prefulgence as an instant pop when you hit Manafic vs its original "pops when you burn all 6 stacks". It sucks. It sucks so bad. It makes the opener and early bursts/reopener even more of a headache having another oGCD to immediately deal with, and delaying Prefulgence to fit within later Embolden windows is now harder to downright impossible depending on the length of the fight and if you're rushing Manafic (which is standard practice). Even changing it so that you only get Prefulgence after burning all 3 stacks of Swordplay (since Manafic no longer gives its 6 stacks) would be an enormous improvement from how it currently is.