Thread: RDM 7.4 changes and job identity

Originally Posted by Voidmage

The whole "running to tomestones as soon as someone has an opinion on job design" is why people loose their respect for raiders and I personally include myself in the later even if only in a more casual way nowadays aka not doing raids on content.

That's the thing that always gets me. I know full well I'm not good enough for hardcore content and wouldn't ever pretend otherwise, but even if I was, I wouldn't want to play with hardcore players because the majority of them act so insufferable, and most of them hate any casuals trying to enter "their" content anyway.

Who would WANT to "git gud" if it means having to deal with people who act like that?

Originally Posted by Aidorouge

That's the thing that always gets me. I know full well I'm not good enough for hardcore content and wouldn't ever pretend otherwise, but even if I was, I wouldn't want to play with hardcore players because the majority of them act so insufferable, and most of them hate any casuals trying to enter "their" content anyway.

Who would WANT to "git gud" if it means having to deal with people who act like that?

Most raiders are actually chill people as are the more casual players.
It's the bad apples on both sides that poison the outlook sadly.

Originally Posted by Kheiga

I still dont understand what's the issue with the job identity, verraise is still there and unchanged the job identity is there and untouched. RDM just got a QoL so it can be played at all outside of prog / zombie-ing :shrugers:

The "Red Mage is Verraise" joke isn't getting funnier if you repeat it...

Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

The "Red Mage is Verraise" joke isn't getting funnier if you repeat it...

Who said i am joking? Red mage is a res bot job and nothing else.

Originally Posted by Voidmage

Most raiders are actually chill people as are the more casual players.
It's the bad apples on both sides that poison the outlook sadly.

The only things that aren't chill are chaotic alliance raids and unreals. Those 2 are mega definition of "leave after 1-2 wipe", throw tantrum, hate speech, spam xd and other emotes and complain. Today had to waste almost 2 hours just to find a proper unreal party that can do it, because for some reason people either troll too much or use 2000 tactics that they randomly found on internet.

Originally Posted by Milkbeard

Stop using labels like " Hardcore raider" or "casual" like slurs.
I locked in world 2nd in damage on DSR in patch 6.2 on RDM, and my favorite content is farming mounts from previous expansions with my FC.
Some people love winning the hardest battles, while others just like collecting older mounts from primals with friends, but most frequent players actually enjoy doing both, and more! There are simply far too many progression systems now to be strictly labeling people as casual or hardcore. You have deep dungeon, field operation content, PVP, crafting, gathering, dedicated underunderzied content, limited jobs- All have active communities. None of which use raiding gear. The ultimate weapons don't even give useful stats outside of ultimate for any substantial amount of time.

It is time to think individually for yourself.
Drop the labels they're old. Just. Stop. Don't feel comfortable mimicking terms with sterotypic energy. I'm not sure, maybe its just an experienced players perspective, I just have never felt original seeing someone post something complaining about a demographic as being a reason something changed and felt good about myself, I just play the game and discuss because I love it. You. Should. Too. Source your claims if you make them. Educate yourself about a move you don't like before calling it useless. Just the base expectation behind any functional conversation, acknowledge the fundamentals so you can talk to each other with at least a mutual understanding. You can use my provided references but please join the balance. They aren't toxic please don't be afraid, the red mage lounge is full of funny memes.

This was my final message, good bye strange mostly negative thread.

i'm gonna be blunt: you sound unsufferable and keep missing the point of this thread.
None of us gives a damn about high end raiding, or if they do they understand that a thread about JOB IDENTITY VS THE NEW CHANGES is not the place for whining and crying about hardcore raiding and crunching numbers. you are literally doing a side conversation alone and calling for people to "educate themselves".