GNB is TERRIBLE now!

[Amh_Wilzuun]

Job fantasy is that Lionheart, being the last Renzokuken finisher you unlock in FF8, hits very hard. It hits less hard now. I don't think that using it twice as often feels better, I think the exact opposite. Using something more often diminishes how 'cool' it feels. If their concern was the potency made it too variable in damage due to Crit Variance, there were ways to do that without resorting to 'make it feel even more like WAR/PLD'. For example, introduce Continuation steps after each hit. More booms, more Job fantasy, right?

This is just purely subjective on whether or not it feels less cool if you use it more. I don't think an ability needs to be every 2 minutes to feel cool. You midare every minute or more on Sam and i don't think it's less cool for it. I think FF14 could use less of super cool buttons you only ever press when your 2 minute buff procs it. Dawntrail added WAY too many of those.

[Kishin12345]

I like the changes. Gnb is more flexible now and better suited for various situations. Cutting the bloodfest cd to 60 seconds makes the job feel more active. Sometimes it even feels quite busy tbh. Overall i think this was a good step and i expect exactly this from 8.0. They wanted to bring back more stress to the encounters and 8.0 is supposed to bring back more stress and awareness to the jobs, so i think changes like these that make jobs feel like they do more is what we'll see more of.

[SyferU]

[Carin-Eri]

Absolute comedy, that this thread was dead and buried under several pages of other topics, for around 24 hours. Most threads that go 24h without activity are effectively 'dead'.
But suddenly, something happened within the past few hours, that brought it back into focus. Something that would make people look for this thread specifically, despite it being buried behind several pages of other topics.
Wonder what that 'something' could have been. Guess we'll never know, eh

Whilst I may be missing the /s in this (?) I suspect it would've had something to do with Xeno posting videos on the matter.

[Rithy255]

Oh yeah I saw the xeno video, honestly most the things were to be expected. I don't even dislike the guy, I do think he has takes that are very much "agree with me or your stupid" which I don't really like but it is what it is. I think I just have fundamental disagreements with them that's fine you don't agree with everyone in life. I did see comments saying oh I don't raid; No I just don't raid on this character (I used to when I wasn't so good at the game and new, but i switched characters a long time back now). I don't want people checking out my raid logs to see if my opinion is valuable or not in their eyes. I generally care about some level of privacy on these forums because some people are just unhinged. Though I've not done the 7.2 Savage arcadian raids I've only done M1S-M3S I am frankly a Casual Raider who isn't the best in the world though I think I should still frankly have a opinion on things lol.

My main pov is I don't think jobs need to burst every minute to be fun, I frankly don't like having similar burst profiles to begin with, 1 minute burst jobs maybe burst more and have more "fun" so to speak but I don't really think that's the right way to go about every tank design, I much rather have tanks have different burst profiles which having 2 tanks at 2 minutes and 2 tanks a 1 minutes does somewhat achieve.

On the filler question, no 1, 2, 3 isn't the only filler theirs ways of making more interesting filler I don't get why this was took as 1, 2, 3 can be the only "filler" the filler shouldn't feel boring. The point in making good filler is that instead of having a job that's only "fun to burst" (I don't personally find fellcleave, Lion heart combo ect. As fun burst) they have a fun general rotation, even when not bursting which should be the goal of good job design at least rotationally.

I think at the end of the day people are going to dislike changes in any sort of direction, my ideal for the game is that certain jobs have appeal to different players I don't think every needs to be appealing to the same player, some of that appeal is accounting for "Jank" such as Paladin having different rotations back before 6.3 things to learn, or gunbreaker being a 2 minute job with having to not overcap ammo as a part of the frustration that was took out, I think that's fine because Warrior exists to be less frustrating to people who don't like that sort of thing in their job. But the thing is people do actually into some friction and frustrating aspects about jobs, just like learning a fight will have some friction and frustrations towards it mastering a job and getting good at it feels more rewarding to me personally, hence why I enjoyed old Paladin despite most people who played tank in general but not paladin didn't like it, now people like me who did enjoy old paladin just kind of have to accept that theirs not really a tank that would give us the general satisfaction I got from playing old Paladin.

[Avenheit]

people being angry at the job changes have no idea what they're talking about.

GNB hasn't been fun since post ShB. *Until now*

These changes are a great fix, although I still hate having more than 2 cartridges and double down should just be a cooldown tide to No Mercy window since if you're pressing it outside of no mercy you're objectively playing the class wrong.

I also dislike sonic break being a GCD.

[arnisong]

This just tells me how uninformed you are. The change killed GNB, if other players were struggling with it, then it was a skill issue from thier side. Real GNB mains like myself didn't want any changes, it's unneeded and uncalled for.

tell me you've never used GNB on a fight with downtimes without telling me you've never

[Rithy255]

tell me you've never used GNB on a fight with downtimes without telling me you've never

If a job has to adjust due to downtime why is this automatically a bad thing? Not always being able to play optimally and adjusting to situations can be fun to some people right?

You may not like that but people do at the end of the day why does everything have to be 100% clean and safe and predictable in terms of job design, why can't we expect some adjustments based on the encounter?

[miraidensetsu]

So, explain to me like I'm 5 why GNB is bad now.

I'm still learning to play as GNB and haven't fully leveled any other tank (besides GNB, I have WAR at 60 and PLD/DRK at 5X) and used it mainly to solo things that require a tank to solo.

[Reginald_Cain]

So, explain to me like I'm 5 why GNB is bad now.

I'm still learning to play as GNB and haven't fully leveled any other tank (besides GNB, I have WAR at 60 and PLD/DRK at 5X) and used it mainly to solo things that require a tank to solo.

It's not bad just some people dont like the change to its flow every minute. The only thing objectively bad about the changes was the powder gauge not just getting a full 6 chambers but instead turning gold . It's a matter of flavor and personal preference in gameplay not that the job is weak. You might think it's great or not try it yourself and watch some guides when you wanna optimize