GNB is TERRIBLE now!

[Rithy255]

Oh yeah I saw the xeno video, honestly most the things were to be expected. I don't even dislike the guy, I do think he has takes that are very much "agree with me or your stupid" which I don't really like but it is what it is. I think I just have fundamental disagreements with them that's fine you don't agree with everyone in life. I did see comments saying oh I don't raid; No I just don't raid on this character (I used to when I wasn't so good at the game and new, but i switched characters a long time back now). I don't want people checking out my raid logs to see if my opinion is valuable or not in their eyes. I generally care about some level of privacy on these forums because some people are just unhinged. Though I've not done the 7.2 Savage arcadian raids I've only done M1S-M3S I am frankly a Casual Raider who isn't the best in the world though I think I should still frankly have a opinion on things lol.

My main pov is I don't think jobs need to burst every minute to be fun, I frankly don't like having similar burst profiles to begin with, 1 minute burst jobs maybe burst more and have more "fun" so to speak but I don't really think that's the right way to go about every tank design, I much rather have tanks have different burst profiles which having 2 tanks at 2 minutes and 2 tanks a 1 minutes does somewhat achieve.

On the filler question, no 1, 2, 3 isn't the only filler theirs ways of making more interesting filler I don't get why this was took as 1, 2, 3 can be the only "filler" the filler shouldn't feel boring. The point in making good filler is that instead of having a job that's only "fun to burst" (I don't personally find fellcleave, Lion heart combo ect. As fun burst) they have a fun general rotation, even when not bursting which should be the goal of good job design at least rotationally.

I think at the end of the day people are going to dislike changes in any sort of direction, my ideal for the game is that certain jobs have appeal to different players I don't think every needs to be appealing to the same player, some of that appeal is accounting for "Jank" such as Paladin having different rotations back before 6.3 things to learn, or gunbreaker being a 2 minute job with having to not overcap ammo as a part of the frustration that was took out, I think that's fine because Warrior exists to be less frustrating to people who don't like that sort of thing in their job. But the thing is people do actually into some friction and frustrating aspects about jobs, just like learning a fight will have some friction and frustrations towards it mastering a job and getting good at it feels more rewarding to me personally, hence why I enjoyed old Paladin despite most people who played tank in general but not paladin didn't like it, now people like me who did enjoy old paladin just kind of have to accept that theirs not really a tank that would give us the general satisfaction I got from playing old Paladin.

[Avenheit]

people being angry at the job changes have no idea what they're talking about.

GNB hasn't been fun since post ShB. *Until now*

These changes are a great fix, although I still hate having more than 2 cartridges and double down should just be a cooldown tide to No Mercy window since if you're pressing it outside of no mercy you're objectively playing the class wrong.

I also dislike sonic break being a GCD.

[miraidensetsu]

So, explain to me like I'm 5 why GNB is bad now.

I'm still learning to play as GNB and haven't fully leveled any other tank (besides GNB, I have WAR at 60 and PLD/DRK at 5X) and used it mainly to solo things that require a tank to solo.

[Reginald_Cain]

So, explain to me like I'm 5 why GNB is bad now.

I'm still learning to play as GNB and haven't fully leveled any other tank (besides GNB, I have WAR at 60 and PLD/DRK at 5X) and used it mainly to solo things that require a tank to solo.

It's not bad just some people dont like the change to its flow every minute. The only thing objectively bad about the changes was the powder gauge not just getting a full 6 chambers but instead turning gold . It's a matter of flavor and personal preference in gameplay not that the job is weak. You might think it's great or not try it yourself and watch some guides when you wanna optimize

[SalamanderIX]

Job seems fine to me, it could had stood to lose damage anyway as it's been way ahead for like years.

The golden Powder gauage thing needs to go though, it's gunbreaker not goldbreaker. SMH. I hate the Gold carts and flashing gold UI going on. Looks awful.

[Azurarok]

If DT content is where it breaks these should've been upgrades it gets in DT, not just slapped into the base kit. That's something even MCH did with Drill's 2 charges.

The fact they did this 4 major patches into the expac really just highlights how much jobs are an afterthought to fight design.


Also aside from that the job's bursts are busier for less damage and it gives its filler inbetween hold much less meaning.

[AlessaImpera]

The changes are pretty good. The difficulty didnt really change, just some bad design decisions were rectified, that removed points of annoyance when it comes to moments the player itself has no control over, like drifts due to the boss being gone at the wrong time.

Also getting to burst twice as often, is certainly rather nice, it heightens the rhythmic engagement and enhances the high intensity cadence of the job, pretty much doubling down on its main appeal.

[AstralChair]

I'm really not a fan of the changes. After testing gnb in a few fights, it just didn't feel good to me. I definitely prefer the old version.

[Kishin12345]

If I had to guess:
-Living Shadow cooldown reduced to 60s
-Shadowbringer reduced to 30s CD with two charges
-TBN no longer costs MP to use
-TBN no longer grants Dark Arts on break
-TBN when hit grants a regen
-TBN's CD increased to 25s

You forgot salted earth to 60 seconds