What could go wrong it they put CT in MSQ roulette?

[Voidmage]

Labyrinth of the Ancients and Crystal Tower are designed to be easier so people get used to the massive number of players in one setting.

I actually agree with this part here.
Crystal tower is the very first true raid for new players and taking that would probably do more damage imo.

I think the best solution, outside of ilvl adjusting, would be to rework those three raids and "modernize" them.
The mechanics are old and teach wrong things, some parts are clunky and even if a run took longer, there are some kinda obscure mechanics.
If we turn it into a four man then the whole raid feeling will get lost.

If it was redone partly to be more in line with SB raids nowadays then it would be better.
Players would think twice of using it as a cheap daily, new players would actually learn something and the whole thing would be more interesting.

Of course, my personal favourite would be to simply make all raids mandatory for story potential alone but I am probably alone with that one.

No matter what, those raids are a problem imo and I really hope that after the duty support of old dungeons is done, they look into this topic next.

[Azurarok]

Of course, my personal favourite would be to simply make all raids mandatory for story potential alone but I am probably alone with that one.

I also want them to either make more raids either mandatory or at least write stories assuming the player has done them at the time. If leaving them optional at least note that it's recommended they play those prior

[Appleboops]

Yknow .. I just stopped doing the Alliance Raid roulette for this reason O.o problem solved
But yea, I have a similar "qualm" with the fact that the Infrit, Garuda, and Titan low-level fights are in the "Leveling" roulette .. those are "Trials" as well but they're 4-man content so they can't go into the Trial roulette. I wish they could because they're tedious to get so often but it is what it is. I see the Roulette as a job at this point, a grind where the cost is time spent assisting lower or newer players, and the reward is Tomes and a big XP chunk.

[vincexorcized]

I also want them to either make more raids either mandatory or at least write stories assuming the player has done them at the time. If leaving them optional at least note that it's recommended they play those prior

I’m all for it too!

[Appleboops]

Similarly I wish they'd put the Heavensward and Stormblood final MSQs into the MSQ Roulette .. just to vary it a bit more O.o
Though that would mean they'd need to make the cutscenes in those runs unskippable, eh I'd still prefer it that way though

[Astronis]

That will never, ever happen.

Queues are separated by the number of people that are queueing in.

Expert only has 1 tank, 2 dps, 1 healer
Trials only has 2 tanks, 4 dps, 2 healers
Alliance has 3 tanks, 15 dps, 6 healers

You can't mix-and-match. That's not how queues work. That's like asking a trial to be in MSQ.

Labyrinth of the Ancients and Crystal Tower are designed to be easier so people get used to the massive number of players in one setting.

Just enjoy that it's a no-brainer and you're getting EZPZ tomes. Why is this even an issue?

There is exactly one roulette that does mix-and-match on duty sizes and allows parties to queue into it--Guildhest. And you will never, EVER, randomly end up in Solemn Trinity.

I expect the same thing would happen if an Alliance raid was added to a roulette that otherwise only had four-man duties in it--the Alliances would never pop and queueing into them outside the roulette would end up taking 45-90 minutes to fill the way Solemn Trinity does.

Mentor roulette is its own thing, and even in that...despite the requirement of doing damned near everything queueable in the game in order to unlock it, I can't even remember the last time I landed in an Alliance Raid via Mentor. There are too many other, smaller groups that need one person to fill them.

[RedLolly]

A better solution would just be to remove Crystal Tower as being mandatory, thus you don't end up with it being the the "only" Alliance Raid that some people ever unlock. At this point any concerns over "plot confusion" about G'raha are meaningless when he shows up in promotional material all the time and him being the Crystal Exarch is hardly some mind-blowing revelation. I would say Coils of Bahamut holds more story significance, but Square-Enix not only doesn't make it mandatory, but they purposefully keep it out of Normal Raid roulette even if you do unlock the whole thing.

That this was the original intent during Shadowbringers! You didn't have to have Crystal Tower completed when ShB was still new!

There are several moments that initially lacked dialogue options if you hadn't completed CT because you hadn't met G'raha yet. You couldn't "Call him by his name" or say "Happy to see you awake," as the dialogue options just weren't even there. The hidden scene with the Wind-Up G'raha Tia minion made the Exarch extremely uncomfortable verses a little chuffed that you had a minion of him without completing CT, too. Those were all treated as bonus moments for players that had already built a friendship with G'raha, but it was changed because they needed him in the tower on our timeline to get him into our main crew, and it made way more sense to know him beforehand anyway.

[Striker44]

Isn't this a straight up lie? Mentor roullette does exactly this.

It's disappointing to see not only such a comment toward a fellow forum-goer, but people actually "liking" it, when it's straight up false. No, mentor roulette does not do that. Mentor roulette takes the people that queue into it and then feeds them into *other* instances that need people. It does not form its own groups like other roulettes. For example, if 1 tank, 1 healer, and 2 dps join Mentor, it doesn't take those 4 mentors and put them together in their own group - it sends them to other groups that need each of those roles.

Unlike said mentor roulette, every other roulette forms groups directly from its own queue. If you tried putting Alliance raids in MSQ, it would never pop, because every time you had 1 tank, 1 healer, and 2 dps in the queue, it would group them together and generate a 4-person instance from the relevant MSQ options. You would never get the 3 tanks, 6 healers, and 15 dps you need for the Alliance raids.

And we wonder why this forum has the reputation it does...

[SyferU]

It's disappointing to see not only such a comment toward a fellow forum-goer, but people actually "liking" it, when it's straight up false. No, mentor roulette does not do that. Mentor roulette takes the people that queue into it and then feeds them into *other* instances that need people. It does not form its own groups like other roulettes. For example, if 1 tank, 1 healer, and 2 dps join Mentor, it doesn't take those 4 mentors and put them together in their own group - it sends them to other groups that need each of those roles.

Unlike said mentor roulette, every other roulette forms groups directly from its own queue. If you tried putting Alliance raids in MSQ, it would never pop, because every time you had 1 tank, 1 healer, and 2 dps in the queue, it would group them together and generate a 4-person instance from the relevant MSQ options. You would never get the 3 tanks, 6 healers, and 15 dps you need for the Alliance raids.

so I was right, mentor roulette feeds you into different sized queues.

[Espon]

It would be better if they either fixed Crystal Tower raids so they weren't so boring and/or made it so other raids are more likely to pop if you have them unlocked.

Either that or turn them into a trio of 4-man dungeons.