Please do something about dps survavibility in OC

[UkcsAlias]

go further, why do they hate rng? because you don't see yourself progress and can feel like you lost your time without any progress... You don't hate RNG because it's RNG, you hate rng because of the frustration it brings and why are you frustrated? Because it's been so much time and it still did not drop yet... you're frustrated because you don't progress... Being forced to use already mastered phantom jobs is the same : getting frustrated because you have only that much time and in that time you cannot progress. It's the same process behind both.

I can indeed state that its not RNG itself thats the problem, its the lack of feeling progression. They could have made the atmas drop at a much higher rate like 50%+ drop rates, but also demand you to collect 10 each. And it would feel better, because you see the progress.
A streak then of 3x not getting an atma is anoying, but the 4th time giving one is instant progression again.

The abysmal drop rate, even though you didnt need a lot is just anoying to face, you dont notice progression, and even if you then get one, its more of a 'finaly' feeling, then it is, 'good'. Even if you would need a static 50 fates in each area, it shows you a good expectation.

But the 2nd issue i saw: any atma beyond what you needed is just an atma to rub it in. You cant use it, and it makes it feel like you are making the odds for the next one worse (it isnt, but the odds of a chain of 2 is just 1% if the normal droprate is 10%). Everything in this grind just feels counter productive, even though the total requirement in time spent wasnt bad at all

[Yeonhee]

Because again DPS needing healers isn’t much of a relevant point when you can just play a tank and have literally zero downsides

I’m a healer I want to be useful, I also don’t blame DPS for feeling overly reliant on healers in a system that discourages experimentation on squishy jobs when tanks have zero downsides

Tanks being pretty OP isn't really a specific OC issue, it's the case pretty much everywhere. The issue is tanks themselves, not DPS needing a healer as they should.

Even tho I see your point and I'm sure SE will not adress the tanks OPiness issue anytime soon, I don't think making healers even more useless is really a good solution to the problem.

I can indeed state that its not RNG itself thats the problem, its the lack of feeling progression. They could have made the atmas drop at a much higher rate like 50%+ drop rates, but also demand you to collect 10 each. And it would feel better, because you see the progress.
A streak then of 3x not getting an atma is anoying, but the 4th time giving one is instant progression again.

The abysmal drop rate, even though you didnt need a lot is just anoying to face, you dont notice progression, and even if you then get one, its more of a 'finaly' feeling, then it is, 'good'. Even if you would need a static 50 fates in each area, it shows you a good expectation.

But the 2nd issue i saw: any atma beyond what you needed is just an atma to rub it in. You cant use it, and it makes it feel like you are making the odds for the next one worse (it isnt, but the odds of a chain of 2 is just 1% if the normal droprate is 10%). Everything in this grind just feels counter productive, even though the total requirement in time spent wasnt bad at all

That's pretty true. Atmas having higher drop rates but needing more of them would feel a lot better than doing 30 FATEs without any drops.

[Stasya]

I don't think making healers even more useless is really a good solution to the problem.

Again, the "do you play the game" crowd. Bozja has dps essences and damage abilities/buffs specifically for healer and the only complain i have is that -% healing too much for solo gameplay. Why OC can't have same?

There is 0 need to force everyone into tank healer dps group parties. Tanks are not issue, it's the design.

[Zakuyia]

It's a pain in the ass.

If you don't have a heal or your heal is bad, you just chain die with unavoidable dots or raid wides : IT'S NOT FUN.

The knight protection buff doesn't help, the expensive gear doesn't help on that side either, the new ultra potion barely helps, the mastery bonus totally ignore protection or hp bonus, contrary to what Bozja/Zadnord did.

The only ways to avoid that is either playing tank (that's nice, let's all play tanks, I guess that what you're looking for, since tanks can heal and dps too), either play heal (yeah, let's design a content that ignores 13 of the 21 jobs in the game), either using a phantom job that can heal, but then why the heck would I even run the freaking content if I can't xp my other phantom jobs? Get an already useless gear for other classes?

I know you did that so healer could have something to do, and it's a good thing you tried, but it's time to look at reality : it failed to achieve what you wanted to do. So now, please do something. Idk, add a recup potion like the eureka potion or add a HP bonus in the mastery bonus, two solution you implemented in the past, that should make it better.

Just dodge and learn how to survive the encounter there a funny meme that can amount to this but basically....SKILL ISSUES

[CNitsah]

I mean, if you go into a raid without a healer, you have a good chance of getting on the floor as a DPS as well. Imo OC is supposed to be group content, I don't see the issue of needing a healer. People complain that healers are useless but then complain that they need them for OC and want them to be useless again. What's even the point of playing healers if everyone can survive just fine without you ?

Because you have no control on other players. In a raid or dungeons, you're garanteed to get one. In content like field ewploration, field exploration raids and deep dungeons, you're not garanteed that. If your, content doesn't garantee, simething has to be done so 60% of the class don't get penalized. They used to know that.

[Stasya]

Just dodge and learn how to survive the encounter there a funny meme that can amount to this but basically....SKILL ISSUES

Do we need captcha "do you play the game" before posting? There are boss fates where you die without bloodbath and stuff like crawling death is scary without something op like sam shield.

Remove all aoes from every fate then yeah you can troll people as in your post.

[CNitsah]

Do we need captcha "do you play the game" before posting? There are boss fates where you die without bloodbath and stuff like crawling death is scary without something op like sam shield.

Remove all aoes from every fate then yeah you can troll people as in your post.

And that's when you have a healing tool. SMN and PCT don't have blood bath nor second wind, and no healing spell you can choose when to use. They both only have shield that can tank half a raidwide.