Please do something about dps survavibility in OC

[Valence]

SE isn't obligated to cater to your specific set of problems. Crazy how DPS sustainability is an issue half a year after the release of OC.

And you are already forcibily grouped with everyone you do a CE with, the only difference is you'll miss on any raidwide buffs or heals. But you still prefer to remain solo then... well, whatever floats your boat. But that's pretty much a you problem, then.

You're all speaking about different things. You're speaking about the feasibility of playing solo or making up for a lack of support players in your vicinity as a DPS, which is perfectly achievable... most of the time, if just by working around it, or swapping roles. That's fine.
Some other people are however speaking about the game design which doesn't take into account any of this and seems to strongly favor some roles (namely tanks) over anything else because said game design couldn't be arsed to provide the same flexibility than eureka/bozja did.

SE isn't obligated to cater to specific sets of problems, but by doing so, they're also harming the experience of many players when their design could certainly have been better to avoid said set of issues. And that's always a problem with how they design content, they barely give a thought for what happens once the content starts dying out.

[BokoToloko]

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The thread is about the former, not the latter. Also, tanks have been the prime soloing job since very early (and, let's be honest here, also in other MMO beyond FFXIV that abide by the trinity) because, at the end of the day, a dead DPS does no DPS and a tank surviving can eventually overtake them.

And, as much as I liked Lost Actions, reality is that the vast majority players will simply gravitate towards the path of least resistance and Bozja was far from the exception. The average player is far more pragmatic or lazy than most people here give them credit for.

Even if, like OP requested, they brought a usable regen potion out, support would still be the go to for most simply because the first would still be able handle way more punishment and the latter is most 1-1-1-1-1-1-1 ad eternum that makes it easier to spot mechanics.

SE isn't obligated to cater to specific sets of problems, but by doing so, they're also harming the experience of many players

Each ignored specific sets of problems affects a specific group of player. And it would be nice if they got solved. Problem is, there is not one. There are thousands over thousands of similarily important peet peeves. Who decides which should get more priority? And more importantly, why should SE redirect time they could use on addressing actual major issues, like the shambling inventory system, housing, social tab, overall combat design, among other things?

I would rather they prioritize the more pressing matters rather than cater to problems people just decide to bash their skulls against rather than climb over in the several ways possible they have. OP and the one above answering me could just group with a healer (they're not hard to find, really) or bring a healer friend and their problems would be over. I can't really go over how poorly the glamour system works, the housing scarcity or rigid customization system, avoiding the 2 minure meta with most classes,....

[YumieYumiki]

Okay congrats you are playing at a clear disadvantage

Please explain what the "clear disadvantage" is.

Should my opinion clearing Elden ring with a soup ladle affect how balance discussions of the game

Can you cool it with the false dichotomies and other absurd reductionist arguments? Its very difficult to talk with people trying so hard to be stupid.

You doing it isn’t changing that you are hamstringing yourself for literally zero benefit and that is bad game design

I'm not hamstringing myself by playing dps. Maybe you would be hamstringing yourself but thats a you problem.

[Supersnow845]

Please explain what the "clear disadvantage" is.



Can you cool it with the false dichotomies and other absurd reductionist arguments? Its very difficult to talk with people trying so hard to be stupid.



I'm not hamstringing myself by playing dps. Maybe you would be hamstringing yourself but thats a you problem.

The clear disadvantage is that you are playing a job with less survivability to not even do more damage because of the way phantom jobs work and be limited in exactly when you can use a non sustain job to level it.

Why use a squishy job when you can use a job that can tank 8 vuln stacks with ease and still as much damage as you WITH ZERO DOWNSIDES

Just because you can doesn’t mean it isn’t awful game design to have a role with that many upsides and literally zero downsides

[YumieYumiki]

You keep saying people should use chemist to stay alive. I agree that if you're leveling knowledge rank or chemist that's a good thing to make use of. But then what happens when you're at max knowledge and capped chemist.

I also keep saying that in most situations you don't need to use chemist. Solo fates are the exception, not the rule, and not all fates have a lot of unavoidable damage either.

The only reward you get from fates and CEs are the silver.

And the chest respawns (huge source of gil)

Each chemist potion costs 10kgil/40silver/40gold. So if you need to use chemist to heal once, that's half of the silver reward of a fate, or 20% from a CE. So you can quickly burn a lot of gil/silver/gold to stay alive, but then you're burning the reward you would get from the fate or CE.

I rarely use more than one per fate, and that only if the fate have significant unavoidable damage (or the occasional mistake), and im doing it solo. I bought a big stack of potions once or twice just to dump my silver pieces and I could probably farm OC for a month without running out.

And what if a person wants to level something like cannoneer or thief, should they just be SoL since those jobs have no healing or survivability built in?

You level those during the 90% of the time where fates are zerged by dozen of people, or when someone is tanking it, or when you're doing CEs with a party.

[TaleraRistain]

I think people in the thread are also forgetting there are more phantom jobs being added in 7.45 so "just use chemist" means that dps won't have the same options to freely level those as a tank or healer would. And it's not just a solo thing. Any party that is lacking a healer will run into these problems for the dps.

[Supersnow845]

For people saying “oh it’s fine” explain why potions need to be locked behind a “job” when Bozja allowed anyone to use them for any reason

Is anyone going to argue chemist is a well designed phantom job even amongst the low bar of existing phantom jobs

[Zakuyia]

It's a pain in the ass.

If you don't have a heal or your heal is bad, you just chain die with unavoidable dots or raid wides : IT'S NOT FUN.

The knight protection buff doesn't help, the expensive gear doesn't help on that side either, the new ultra potion barely helps, the mastery bonus totally ignore protection or hp bonus, contrary to what Bozja/Zadnord did.

The only ways to avoid that is either playing tank (that's nice, let's all play tanks, I guess that what you're looking for, since tanks can heal and dps too), either play heal (yeah, let's design a content that ignores 13 of the 21 jobs in the game), either using a phantom job that can heal, but then why the heck would I even run the freaking content if I can't xp my other phantom jobs? Get an already useless gear for other classes?

I know you did that so healer could have something to do, and it's a good thing you tried, but it's time to look at reality : it failed to achieve what you wanted to do. So now, please do something. Idk, add a recup potion like the eureka potion or add a HP bonus in the mastery bonus, two solution you implemented in the past, that should make it better.

Just dodge and learn how to survive the encounter there a funny meme that can amount to this but basically....SKILL ISSUES

[Stasya]

Just dodge and learn how to survive the encounter there a funny meme that can amount to this but basically....SKILL ISSUES

Do we need captcha "do you play the game" before posting? There are boss fates where you die without bloodbath and stuff like crawling death is scary without something op like sam shield.

Remove all aoes from every fate then yeah you can troll people as in your post.

[CNitsah]

I mean, if you go into a raid without a healer, you have a good chance of getting on the floor as a DPS as well. Imo OC is supposed to be group content, I don't see the issue of needing a healer. People complain that healers are useless but then complain that they need them for OC and want them to be useless again. What's even the point of playing healers if everyone can survive just fine without you ?

Because you have no control on other players. In a raid or dungeons, you're garanteed to get one. In content like field ewploration, field exploration raids and deep dungeons, you're not garanteed that. If your, content doesn't garantee, simething has to be done so 60% of the class don't get penalized. They used to know that.