Please do something about dps survavibility in OC

[Asari5]

they could introduce some kind of personal dmg check for some fates... one that is the same for all roles. would be kinda fun to watch xD

[Stasya]

I like how you go into a multi paragraph rant on tanks after you find the slimmest possible connection to bring tanks into it. Saying tanks can tank more damage is a balance issue was hilarious though. Legit going to show people your post.

But, had you actually read my post instead of looking for a thread to pull that says "I talk tank now, go me," DPS survivability isn't an issue by way of phantom jobs or not getting hit. Not confident in avoiding the bad? There's several phantom jobs that will cover this. It's why we can switch between them freely before an encounter. More confident with a fate? Put on Sam, cannon and go to town. Partially confident? Monk had damage and survivability just for you.

It's not a content issue. It's a player issue.

Another case "do you play the game?". There are some boss fates you can do solo on melee because bloodbath (but i found sam safer still) and other are impossible without healing - JUST BECAUSE OF AOE FROM BOSSES YOU CANT DODGE.

From the looks of it you are typing from RMT gil farming bot character. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

[IOwn92FCHouses]

Another case "do you play the game?". There are some boss fates you can do solo on melee because bloodbath (but i found sam safer still) and other are impossible without healing - JUST BECAUSE OF AOE FROM BOSSES YOU CANT DODGE.

From the looks of it you are typing from RMT gil farming bot character. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

I've maxed all phantom jobs as primary dps. Try re-reading what I wrote. I can personally guarentee that any fate can be handled either without a support phantom job, or easily with one. Monk in particular can handle every single fate thanks to the heal and MIT it gives.

And, you know. The whole party thing.

Thanks for helping me to show that the issue isn't the content, but the players approach to it. You're wrong, friend. Sorry.

And no RWT here, mister ad hominem. I simply enjoy making money and collecting housing. Speaking of ToS breaking things, I'm sorry I've incurred your WRATH.

[TaleraRistain]

So I haven't been in OC in a bit but I did hit it heavily for a while there. I usually play sage. I've noticed that I was often the only healer in the party and my presence was definitely a benefit. I could see the dps if they wanted to level something that wasn't chemist or knight would suffer from the unavoidable damage. So I can see where general issue potions like we had in past field content to mitigate that aspect would help.

[Stasya]

You're wrong, friend. Sorry.

And no RWT here, mister ad hominem. I simply enjoy making money and collecting housing. Speaking of ToS breaking things, I'm sorry I've incurred your WRATH.

I am not wrong in both cases. As for your rmt i don't care/i will just blacklist but YOU as individual will never convince anyone that you would waste so much real cash on subbing just to keep houses.

You leveled fc just to grind and sell gil from subs.

[IOwn92FCHouses]

You are. Name a fate and a dps and I'll tell you which phantom jobs you can do it on. I'll wait. (psst, oracle will be my answer every time because it's true. It has an insanely good combo of self heal and utility and handles everything for free)

And I own 3 service accounts. $40/m isn't too bad for me. Please stop the baseless tos breaking accusations. This is your last warning.

[UkcsAlias]

You are. Name a fate and a dps and I'll tell you which phantom jobs you can do it on.

Which is a compltely pointless comment, because n=1. Your experience says absolutely nothing about what others experience. Its like saying: you can beat an ultimate because i can.

And thats why i brought in tanks earlier, because why would you care about the phantom job when you can just survive almost everything?

Also, my argument why oracle is invalid as answer, is because you havent unlocked it yet as newer player to the content. There is no guaranteed way for you to obtain it in any reasonable timespan.

But that its a player issue is confirmed, ignorance of casuals existing is a player issue.

[IOwn92FCHouses]

Which is a compltely pointless comment, because n=1. Your experience says absolutely nothing about what others experience. Its like saying: you can beat an ultimate because i can.

And thats why i brought in tanks earlier, because why would you care about the phantom job when you can just survive almost everything?

Also, my argument why oracle is invalid as answer, is because you havent unlocked it yet as newer player to the content. There is no guaranteed way for you to obtain it in any reasonable timespan.

But that its a player issue is confirmed, ignorance of casuals existing is a player issue.

My experience is irrelevant because it's not also your experience? Are you joking? Lmao. No, my experience is proof that the premise of the thread is false and that it's possible to take a dps into any fate and to survive said fate. A newbie joining OC for the first time is irrelevant.

Player ignorance is the issue. Player ignorance is a player issue, not an OC issue. Players, like the abusive person I responded to earlier, who fail to rise above that ignorance and to rise to a challenge, in this case not dying as a DPS, is a player issue. Not an OC issue.

Try again. Ya'll are just wrong here. "Challenge" or "hard" isn't a fucking design problem. You get punished for not playing properly or for not approaching a problem with the mindset that you're going to overcome it. Saying the game needs to change around you (the general you) because you fail to meet a challenge is absurd, defeatist, and fundamentally sad.

Being unable to do something is fine. This game isn't for everyone. Saying something isn't possible because you can't personally do it is obviously flawed. Aergrael, don't bring that energy to me.

[UkcsAlias]

My experience is irrelevant because it's not also your experience? Are you joking? Lmao. No, my experience is proof that the premise of the thread is false and that it's possible to take a dps into any fate and to survive said fate.

Thats not proof, thats still n=1... n=1 is never proof unless the sample size is only 1. And yes, im aware that there are more players that can do that. But stating 'you can' because 'i can' is the worst case to use that example on. The actual sample size does indicate that the mechanics can be handled by the experienced player.

But content is normaly designed for certain players, and a certain reputation gets attached to it. OC is deemed casual content from the start, so you can expect a lot of casual players. Players that struggle already in normal trials. Its a huge enough portion of the playerbase. Yet if you ignore those players 'because inferior'... thats the worst possible way to think about it. Because content marketed toward them appears to be not well balanced towards them.

Players play games for fun. That is the key reason they play. And yet, plenty of players get anoyed because the fights cause dps's to repeatedly die over and over again. That indicates there is an issue regarding fun in the content. And the reason: they get to hear the content is targeted for them, only to face it actualy isnt. And if they then say its not fun, it simply is not fun.

No matter how many arguments you throw at it, you cant change the 'its not fun' part. Instead, by stating 'git gud' you are making the situation worse. You can argue as much as you want about it. You cant stop them thinking that way. You can at most cause those players to quit the game. Which in the long term is actualy the worst possible outcome. Because if that happens too much, you will lose the game you like. You still rely on the less skilled players to make money. Because otherwise they could just grind the content themselve.

[IOwn92FCHouses]

Thats not proof, thats still n=1... n=1 is never proof unless the sample size is only 1. And yes, im aware that there are more players that can do that. But stating 'you can' because 'i can' is the worst case to use that example on. The actual sample size does indicate that the mechanics can be handled by the experienced player.

But content is normaly designed for certain players, and a certain reputation gets attached to it. OC is deemed casual content from the start, so you can expect a lot of casual players. Players that struggle already in normal trials. Its a huge enough portion of the playerbase. Yet if you ignore those players 'because inferior'... thats the worst possible way to think about it. Because content marketed toward them appears to be not well balanced towards them.

Players play games for fun. That is the key reason they play. And yet, plenty of players get anoyed because the fights cause dps's to repeatedly die over and over again. That indicates there is an issue regarding fun in the content. And the reason: they get to hear the content is targeted for them, only to face it actualy isnt. And if they then say its not fun, it simply is not fun.

No matter how many arguments you throw at it, you cant change the 'its not fun' part. Instead, by stating 'git gud' you are making the situation worse. You can argue as much as you want about it. You cant stop them thinking that way. You can at most cause those players to quit the game. Which in the long term is actualy the worst possible outcome. Because if that happens too much, you will lose the game you like. You still rely on the less skilled players to make money. Because otherwise they could just grind the content themselve.

Re-read the op. Nothing you're saying matters in the context of the thread. New players do not matter. Your assumed target group for the design does not matter. Your random tangent about "fun" does not matter. I'm responding to the premise of the thread. Refresh yourself on it. You just wasted your time typing 4 paragraphs of nothing.

Let me know if you need assistance doing so.