The current find/setup party system is great

[Reika]

And I have made full parties in less than 3 minutes with the current system. Dunno what server you play on, but you all need to come together and explain the current system to each other, not call for its destruction.

Open Recruitment, make 1 shout saying there is a recruitment (Optional to speed it up), party formed.

No issues on my end.

[Zaene]

Just because it is too hard to comprehend for you doesnt mean it must go. The current system is wonderful.
It just shifted from "Person trying to from a party has to send a tell to each person he finds LFG and ask them if they want to join" to "Person A opens a Recruitment, Person B finds it using party search and automatically joins with no fuss"

Where is the problem here?

The problem is as follows:

Person A opens recruitment to the party, Person B does NOT find his/her party because Person B doesn't understand the system.

This ends the scenario because Person A cannot communicate in any way with Person B due to there being no system in which Person A actually sees Person B or even knows if they exist.

This of course can be solved by enhancements to the current system.

There is inherently a flaw in the system we have now and this scenario I presented highlights it.

As I said before, if I'm seriously ready to make a party I should be given the tools to make the party myself and not hope against hope that people know how to use the system we have.

I don't doubt your 3 minute party-making abilities however, I honestly believe that your experience is the exception and not the rule.

[Zkieve]

And I have made full parties in less than 3 minutes with the current system. Dunno what server you play on, but you all need to come together and explain the current system to each other, not call for its destruction.

Open Recruitment, make 1 shout saying there is a recruitment (Optional to speed it up), party formed.

No issues on my end.

is not what ever you did or not.
The problem is you dont know if you are gonna wait 5min or 2h with the current system.
While if you 7sea and see nothing , you know there is or there is not a way to make a party.
Please (not refering to you in particular) people stop being so close minded.

[Reika]

The problem is as follows:

Person A opens recuitment to the party, Person B does NOT find his/her party because Person B doesn't understand the system.

This ends the scenario because Person A cannot communicate in any way with Person B due to there being no system in which Person A actually sees Person B or even knows if they exist.

This of course can be solved by enhancements to the current system.

There is inherently a flaw in the system we have now and this scenario I presented highlights it.

As I said before, if I'm seriously ready to make a party I should be given the tools to make the party myself and not hope against hope that people know how to use the system we have.

I don't doubt your 3 minute party-making abilities however, I honestly believe that your experience is the exception and not the rule.

Then explain it. Don't wait for SE to do it, they have enough to do as it is.

Person B can see person A, Person A does not need to see or send a tell to Person B.

It isn't flawed, It just isnt like FFXI or WoW or whatnot. Adapt and overcome.

[Reika]

Ah now I am closed minded for being able to comprehend the system in place and quickly form parties with it.

Well have fun complaining.

[Zaene]

Allow me to use an analogy to explain to you what you just said to me:

I've been drinking coffee using a mug made by Company X. Now Company X having made mugs before, makes a new mug, out of molten lava (stay with me here) and expects me, the consumer not knowing that this is what the company is now making mugs out of, to use said mug with the same comfort that I have experienced using mugs made by them in the past.

[Zkieve]

Ah now I am closed minded for being able to comprehend the system in place and quickly form parties with it.

Well have fun complaining.

Can you explain to me why is flag and /sea system bad together with this?.
If you like to shout and explain the system to people (assuming they do not know , i know is not the case).
Why should i have to go into those methods in order to make a party , without at least knowing there are in fact people who meets what i need in regards of ,

level,class,skills, Access.Party focus.

You can say you make party in 5 min all you want , but when there are requirements for some aspects of the game, this feature will fall short.You will expend hours looking for people, because you didnt know what the possibilities of making a party was when you started . While with a LFG and /sea you would and then , based on that , take the decision if you "can" make a party or not.

Saying you "always" find people who meets the requirement for your party is completely untrue.
For that time when you cant find people would you rather do a /sea and see the possibilities for a party for your objectives are null or close to 0 and try a different time , or would you rather wait for the "luck" factor someone might see the shouts in the area the shouts reach or see the party search ?

[Kazimir]

why would you invite dds before you find the most rare classes first ? i think you need to learn how to make parties effectively bro . lol.If you dont see healer or tank available dont bother then and go do somethin else.This isnt any diferent from the current system.At least with flag you KNOW there is nothin avaliable , while with the current system you have NO IDEA WHAT IS..

Chill out man, it was just a joke. That's typically what happens with people trying to make a party. Usually pre-50, anyway. If you've honestly never seen that happen in at least Kazham your server must have been pretty nice to level on.

Anyways , at least there you have control of whats happening . Unlike with the current system you do nothing . You just stand there and hope you get the members.

You keep missing the point of the comparison between the two system for some reason

I actually already agreed that we need a new system, so I'm not sure what that's supposed to be referring to.

[gifthorse]

I didn't figure out how to use the party search feature until January. I know that's sad on behalf of my intelligence, but I also think it is, in part, SE's fault.

It's not exactly the most user-friendly search function.

Wouldn't it make more sense to just be able to search all parties which are forming, and then filter by criteria? Instead of choosing a criteria first and then searching?

[EdenT]

I'm on Gysahl and every time I search for a party there's at least half a dozen groups but all Japanese with "LS" appearing somewhere within their text, or just all Japanese text. I've joined one of these parties before that had the right rank level written in numeric characters, but have not been received well as it again was a private party/LS.

Add the ability to use Auto-Translate function within the party details field so that we can overcome language barriers again. In XI I mostly PT'd with Japanese folk cause I'm in Australia and they're 1hr behind me. The language barrier was never really a problem. XIV's addition of enemy and party signs makes it even easier to convey simple battle messages to those of differing language.

There needs to be some kind of party feature within the LS interface, or a way to flag the LS so that only LS members can see the party when searching and non-LS members don't. The party feature should really be exclusively for people that want to party with others. LS's just use it so they don't have to invite everyone manually.

I miss the /sea function. Even when people weren't displaying a party flag in FFXI, you could still look for certain parameters and most of the time, people were willing to join with you when you contacted them or you could make contact with people of certain criteria to seek advice on jobs etc.

The new party function is a good foundation that can be improved and highly useful with some minor changes.