The current find/setup party system is great

[Zkieve]

Im not saying we should get rid of this system . Im saying we need a flag system or similar .The current system does not give you a lot of freedom while making parties , you dont see what is available .All you can do is wait and hope for the best.
I always took pride on how fast i could make parties in ffxi , in here this function just compromise you to trust other people to join you.

Im fine with whoever whants to use it , but i need more control when making parties .When and how i want them.Giving to much into the "luck" factor that your party might work out okay is something im not a fan off.

yes i am an over control freak.

[Abriael]

Im not saying we should get rid of this system . Im saying we need a flag system or similar.

Need is a big word. That said, it would definitely be beneficial, and useful options are always great to have. As long as they are integrated in the current system, that's a pretty solid base.

I see no reason why some would NOT want further options. It's not like the current system is incompatible with party flags/lists.

[Zkieve]

Need is a big word. That said, it would definitely be beneficial, and useful options are always great to have. As long as they are integrated in the current system, that's a pretty solid base.

I see no reason why some would NOT want further options. It's not like the current system is incompatible with party flags/lists.

People dont use it . So yes we NEED it.

[Krausus]

People dont use it . So yes we NEED it.

the Issue isnt the system it is you, Im pretty sure we talked quite a bit about this on core where you stated you had never seen it used nor had you used it. And again you are trying to take the approach of elitist where somehow you have this nagging fear that some idiot is going to join your party and the server is gonna blow up because of it.

People dont PUG NMs, and any idiot can function well in a grind party. This game isn't rocket science not any one person is going to have such a great effect on any group that you have to be so damn picky. Quit trying to use worse case scenarios that will probably never happen as a basis for argument.

[Zkieve]

the Issue isnt the system it is you, Im pretty sure we talked quite a bit about this on core where you stated you had never seen it used nor had you used it. And again you are trying to take the approach of elitist where somehow you have this nagging fear that some idiot is going to join your party and the server is gonna blow up because of it.

People dont PUG NMs, and any idiot can function well in a grind party. This game isn't rocket science not any one person is going to have such a great effect on any group that you have to be so damn picky. Quit trying to use worse case scenarios that will probably never happen as a basis for argument.

Took you long enough to personal attack me because i dont share your opinion.
if you dont like what people have to say then block me.But im not gonna listen to your rambling of how much you hate me without anything to bring to the debate.

First ,this isnt core .If you like it so much you are free to go post there.
Second, get the lance off your ass.I have my opinion and i will continue to speak it off without some retard like you come and say my opinion is less valid because i play like an elitist (wich i dont)
And get to 50 already , i think you been stuck there for months.

[Kaedan]

Took you long enough to personal attack me because i dont share your opinion.
if you dont like what people have to say then block me.But im not gonna listen to your rambling of how much you hate me without anything to bring to the debate.

First ,this isnt core .If you like it so much you are free to go post there.
Second, get the lance off your ass.I have my opinion and i will continue to speak it off without some retard like you come and say my opinion is less valid because i play like an elitist (wich i dont)
And get to 50 already , i think you been stuck there for months.

He didn't personally attack you. He brought attention to your hypocrisy. A party-creating function exists, and just because you choose to not use it, doesn't make it bad.

And I'm really confused as to how you can possibly use the excuse that you don't want to use it because you might get a bad player... with the /sea all function in FFXI, you could get bad players all the time. ANY TIME you pug you have the chance of getting bad players.

So instead of straw-manning the discussion, how about you address the issue?

Now, all that being said, I agree they should add a /sea function. The current party search system works, if people use it. But adding a /sea function will only make the game better. As it is now, Leaders rely on players to join their party... a search function would also allow Leaders to actively recruit people. There is no reason not to have a /sea function.

Though, I have a feeling that if/when it's added, people will find that the true reason that people aren't using the party function at the moment is because they're soloing. Most of the people that group up only do it for leves or with their LS. So even though a /sea function will be useful, I don't think it will change much.

[Zkieve]

He didn't personally attack you. He brought attention to your hypocrisy. A party-creating function exists, and just because you choose to not use it, doesn't make it bad.

And I'm really confused as to how you can possibly use the excuse that you don't want to use it because you might get a bad player... with the /sea all function in FFXI, you could get bad players all the time. ANY TIME you pug you have the chance of getting bad players.

So instead of straw-manning the discussion, how about you address the issue?

Now, all that being said, I agree they should add a /sea function. The current party search system works, if people use it. But adding a /sea function will only make the game better. As it is now, Leaders rely on players to join their party... a search function would also allow Leaders to actively recruit people. There is no reason not to have a /sea function.

Though, I have a feeling that if/when it's added, people will find that the true reason that people aren't using the party function at the moment is because they're soloing. Most of the people that group up only do it for leves or with their LS. So even though a /sea function will be useful, I don't think it will change much.

thank you.While i dont agree with the rest and i find the system completely useless . ( as in barely anyone uses it )that is what i been trying to say for a while.

Current system forces you to depend on " luck " to find members.Im not okay with that . I like to have control on what im doing.

[AlexiaKidd]

Im not saying we should get rid of this system . Im saying we need a flag system or similar .The current system does not give you a lot of freedom while making parties , you dont see what is available .All you can do is wait and hope for the best.
I always took pride on how fast i could make parties in ffxi , in here this function just compromise you to trust other people to join you.

Im fine with whoever whants to use it , but i need more control when making parties .When and how i want them.Giving to much into the "luck" factor that your party might work out okay is something im not a fan off.

yes i am an over control freak.

With the current system the party lead set's up a recruit and can go and get on with other things. The party joiner then has to actually look for a party to join.

In FFXI it was the other way around, the joiner would put up the flag and get on with something else and wait for an invite. The party leader would then have to do all the work to build the party.

This then breaks down to 2 different groups of people leaders and joiners. Some people like myself like to be party lead so I can organise it how I want, other people are happy to be joiners and will be happy to wait for an invite.

This system is great for me because it means I can do other things while the party forms. When we are out grinding and someone leaves I can just throw a recruit up for a rep and we can carry on. The party doesn't have to stop while I look though all the people seeking and sending /tells, waiting for replies and so on we can just carry on and wait for someone to join.

The other problem with the system is the fact that there is not really a reason to party anymore. When the game launched it was easy to get a Eft or Raptor parties as everyone wanted 15 person parties to get big group bonuses. That has changed now as they changed the system and big parties are no longer viable means of getting SP/EXP. People can now get a lot more SP/EXP in smaller groups so most of the time they will just link up with fellow LS members and do leves.

Leves are another problem for random parties as people have figured out the best leves to do for the best SP/EXP and abandon them. If you pick up random people they may not have these great leves to link with so it is a waste of time inviting them, this is another reason why people are mainly using smaller LS parties as the SP/EXP per hour is a lot more efficient than inviting random people who only bring crappy leves that aren't worth doing