The current find/setup party system is great

[Abriael]

You cant look for members while doing somethin else in a party.
lets say i whant a party to grind.I put party sea up nobody joins , o well i go duo my leves.While im duoing my leves I WONT BE ABLE TO SEE IF PEOPLE ARE AVAILABLE.

With flag you can STILL DO THINS IN PARTY and be able to look for members and when rdy meet up at designated location.

Is just one small example . Im completely agaisnt mechanics that includes watch paint dry .

Actually with the current party system you can leave your party recruitment up while you do other stuff, and people will join. I do it all the time and it works, so the current system doesn't involve "watching the paint dry" unless one is completely dead set on going out with a certain number, in which case it's the same for both systems.

That said, it doesn't mean that integrating the flag system and/or a list of party-seeking people wouldn't *improve* the current system, and improvement is always good.

[Zkieve]

Actually with the current party system you can leave your party recruitment up while you do other stuff, and people will join. I do it all the time and it works, so the current system doesn't involve "watching the paint dry" unless one is completely dead set on going out with a certain number, in which case it's the same for both systems.

That said, it doesn't mean that integrating the flag system and/or a list of party-seeking people wouldn't *improve* the current system, and improvement is always good.

FFXI scenario.
/sea nothin on you need.

Linkshell / anyone needs help ?
go help linkshell in a gods forsakend place , while resting do another sea.

/sea find members.

/tell party ? Let me see if we have enough . Once you are certain you have all members.tell all meet at Xplace in 10min .
OK!

/finish helping meet there , profit.

Current system.

put party member sea up.
Hey linkshell needs help.
Go fight somewere with shell.

random person #1/ hey you looking for a tank ?
Sure but we dont have anymore members now.Ill let you know when i find more.
random person #2/ hey you want a healer .
Sure let me wait to see if any dds /tell me.
Done helping ls and still not 1 dd send tell.
/cricket.

[Abriael]

The current party recruitment is functional. But it definitely has much room for improvement. At the moment it doesn't even have a "leveling/grinding" option as party objective.

The addition of "looking for party" flags, icons and lists, a /sea function and quite a few other things would make party recruiment much easier. Also, there needs to be more awareness in place, educating players to use the party search/recruitment function, since many don't even know about it.

[solracht]

Your problem would be fixed if they allowed party members to join parties while the party is engaged, it's not really a matter of flags vs. the current system, but rather about our current system having to deal with a lot of dumb mechanics.

XIV's system in XI would've worked, for example, since people could join groups mid-battle.

Either way and like I said, I liked flags better too.

[Abriael]

Your problem would be fixed if they allowed party members to join parties while the party is engaged, it's not really a matter of flags vs. the current system, but rather about our current system having to deal with a lot of dumb mechanics.

That's not really much of a problem to be honest. If i try to join a party and I can't, I just send a tell to the leader and ask him if they can stop fighting for a second. There are reasons why you can't join or leave parties while engaged (and it'0s like that in many MMOs), as the possibility opens the way for exploits.

[Zkieve]

Im not saying we should get rid of this system . Im saying we need a flag system or similar .The current system does not give you a lot of freedom while making parties , you dont see what is available .All you can do is wait and hope for the best.
I always took pride on how fast i could make parties in ffxi , in here this function just compromise you to trust other people to join you.

Im fine with whoever whants to use it , but i need more control when making parties .When and how i want them.Giving to much into the "luck" factor that your party might work out okay is something im not a fan off.

yes i am an over control freak.

[Abriael]

Im not saying we should get rid of this system . Im saying we need a flag system or similar.

Need is a big word. That said, it would definitely be beneficial, and useful options are always great to have. As long as they are integrated in the current system, that's a pretty solid base.

I see no reason why some would NOT want further options. It's not like the current system is incompatible with party flags/lists.

[Zkieve]

Need is a big word. That said, it would definitely be beneficial, and useful options are always great to have. As long as they are integrated in the current system, that's a pretty solid base.

I see no reason why some would NOT want further options. It's not like the current system is incompatible with party flags/lists.

People dont use it . So yes we NEED it.

[Krausus]

People dont use it . So yes we NEED it.

the Issue isnt the system it is you, Im pretty sure we talked quite a bit about this on core where you stated you had never seen it used nor had you used it. And again you are trying to take the approach of elitist where somehow you have this nagging fear that some idiot is going to join your party and the server is gonna blow up because of it.

People dont PUG NMs, and any idiot can function well in a grind party. This game isn't rocket science not any one person is going to have such a great effect on any group that you have to be so damn picky. Quit trying to use worse case scenarios that will probably never happen as a basis for argument.

[Zkieve]

the Issue isnt the system it is you, Im pretty sure we talked quite a bit about this on core where you stated you had never seen it used nor had you used it. And again you are trying to take the approach of elitist where somehow you have this nagging fear that some idiot is going to join your party and the server is gonna blow up because of it.

People dont PUG NMs, and any idiot can function well in a grind party. This game isn't rocket science not any one person is going to have such a great effect on any group that you have to be so damn picky. Quit trying to use worse case scenarios that will probably never happen as a basis for argument.

Took you long enough to personal attack me because i dont share your opinion.
if you dont like what people have to say then block me.But im not gonna listen to your rambling of how much you hate me without anything to bring to the debate.

First ,this isnt core .If you like it so much you are free to go post there.
Second, get the lance off your ass.I have my opinion and i will continue to speak it off without some retard like you come and say my opinion is less valid because i play like an elitist (wich i dont)
And get to 50 already , i think you been stuck there for months.