suggestion: add a tutorial to PVP

[Mercury_Grey]

It could have its use for CC, but let's be honest, it will useless for Frontlines. The real problem is that most players can't read the maps depending of the current score, and just rush to the closest fight without thinking. At best they can focus the first one, even when you're just offering the game to the third team by doing that. You can do all the effort you want, a tutorial cannot teach to make situational decisions based on the current state of the fight.

But why not.

COuld make a tutorial for frontline one objectives, and such or even a video tutorial pop up (this is just me spitballing)

[Infindox]

There are already guides and tutorials online...

And some people learn better when they can be hands on.

[Mercury_Grey]

Honestly a more hands ontutorial would be beneficial. Could even give a reward for it like a pvp ring. Increases exp from CC and forntline by 10%

[Shistar]

Honestly a more hands ontutorial would be beneficial. Could even give a reward for it like a pvp ring. Increases exp from CC and forntline by 10%

If this scales up with level (as in, it allows you to use it until max level) this would be an insanely good incentive to do the tutorial even as a veteran. Such a good reward right there!

[Mercury_Grey]

If this scales up with level (as in, it allows you to use it until max level) this would be an insanely good incentive to do the tutorial even as a veteran. Such a good reward right there!

COuld use the hall of novice ring and give it like a walf head ontop or even a crystal on the top. To seperate from the hall of novice ring.

[Divinemights]

Before anyone complains i have had some people refuse to LB in cc and frontline despite having the bar full. THere isn't a tutorial or even a way to que to practice pvp besides wolves den or customs. If they added a system for when you first try to que into pvp it teaches you the basics of pvp for cc/frontline. Objectives, recupirate, purify and more. Even a section on how to limit break in pvp

I don’t think that would help NA’s Frontline issues, because it doesn’t address the real problems.
You don’t need a “tutorial” to learn PvP; fundamentally, you learn PvP by actually playing it.

Recently, I created a character on the Traditional Chinese version of FFXIV.
It’s a completely new datacenter where about 90% of the players are new and have no prior FFXIV experience.
And I can tell you the Frontline experience there compared to NA is night and day.

First of all, even though they know almost nothing about PvP and are still learning, they’re extremely aggressive.
They actively look for fights instead of just mindlessly following a horde.
Back line players don’t abandon the front line just because a PvE objective spawns; instead, they assist and help the front line retreat when needed.
They also don’t move as one giant NA-style horde.
Instead, multiple small combat groups roam the map, so I’m seeing skirmishes all across Shattered.
And they learn fast, by my fourth Frontline match, I was already seeing organized plays, coordinated kills, and coordinated counters.

There isn’t much arguing or conflict over what people “should” be doing (at least not yet).
The only important communication is simple warnings about incoming enemies in alliance chat.
Overall, it has been a very interesting experience.

[Valence]

Your insistence in trying to paint cultures over others as totally different or superior will never cease to confuse me. Especially since now I've played FLs on JP and so far have seen very little difference with westerners, unlike what was advertised.

But idk maybe it's a NA problem right? I haven't played on NA since the end of SB, so maybe for some reason the quality has dipped so bad that they've turned into aliens...

[Divinemights]

Your insistence in trying to paint cultures over others as totally different or superior will never cease to confuse me. Especially since now I've played FLs on JP and so far have seen very little difference with westerners, unlike what was advertised.

But idk maybe it's a NA problem right? I haven't played on NA since the end of SB, so maybe for some reason the quality has dipped so bad that they've turned into aliens...

You jumped the gun there.
I’m not praising them and the whole thing is chaotic.

They’re extremely aggressive and scatter into skirmishes all over the map, which means there’s no central commander system like JP has.
They also haven’t developed any organized gameplay yet.

When I said their backline players don’t abandon the frontline, that’s actually a sign of tunnel vision.
They’re not paying attention; they’re just bloodthirsty.
The only positive thing I can say is that they learn fast, and that alone already explains why we don’t need a PvP tutorial.

By the way, unless you’re playing at around 9 AM Eastern on a JP server, chances are you’re actually playing with OCEAN players.
JP/EU/NA are commonly referred to as “international servers” because JP datacenters receive a lot of international traffic.
But the experience you get from KO/CN/TW (TDCN) players is significantly different.

[Valence]

Okay...

But who's jumping the gun saying that I'm playing at those hours?

[Divinemights]

Okay...

But who's jumping the gun saying that I'm playing at those hours?

Am I, though?
All I said was that unless you're playing on JP prime time, most of the players you see are OCEAN or other international players.
And my response was strictly about why there’s no need for a PvP tutorial.
Ia m literally playing on a fresh datacenter where people have zero FF14 or Frontline background.
What I’m observing is simple: it’s about the players, not a tutorial.
You need people who want to PvP: people who are aggressive, who actually engage to get better at PvP.
No “PvP tutorial” is going to fix that.
That idea is laughable.