Thread: 8.0 Selling points

Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

Tank and DPS.
4.0: DPS+DPS
5.0: Tank+DPS
6.0: Healer+DPS
7.0: DPS+DPS
Guess where we're up to next in the formula?
8.0: Tank+DPS

Except, a normal 8man duty has 4 dps, 2 healers and 2 tanks. If we consider the pattern from 5.0 onward repeating. We will get 4 dps each cycle, and only 1 tank and 1 healer. Which realy puts the dps ahead in option count.
But it gets more complicated, since we do need to consider its type. Physrange, caster and melee have a big diffirence in usecases. Where melee is nearly always free. Melees because of that are the most graceful in duties. There is only 20% chance your job is taken already in just the melee slots.
Caster and physrange have more competition, since they normaly only have 1 slot, and some jobs are highly prefered (and some very quickly kicked) in savage content. Lets say these jobs to get a big rework (making them fresh enough so this behaviour isnt justified), that still means 4 casters and 3 physranges are competing with each spot.
If we deem them mixed (which in the case of reworks could be possible), thats 7 jobs competing with 2 slots. But this is unlikely (although, if instead of phys/caster we consider selfdps/buffer, this can change again).

So on that, i do think tanks and healers are both in higher demand. And tanks allowing a slightly more flexible fill, getting healer is definitely a good thing.
But i would say that for dps, we do need a ranged dps that damage wise can compare with a melee, as this does allow more flexible filling and competition with a melee position.

So yeah, heal+dps to me does still sound like a better idea. Then for 9.0 followed by tank+dps again. But in the end, since the pattern can still just repeat, it realy doesnt matter. It only matters that we get enough support options. And on that, if we get 1 healer added, since its either going to be pure or barrier, the other type will instantly go into the demand state with it. So on that, i do now hope for tank+dps, and for 9.0 and 10.0 2x healer+dps (and then a long wait for the next healer). (or in 10.0 tank+healer, although not having a dps while it being most popular might be awkward)

Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

Great question! My crystal ball says 8 challenging new dungeons, 3 new trials, 2 extremes, new MSQ, new mounts, new minions, new TT cards, 6 new field areas and 2 new city states, 12 new B ranks, 12 new A ranks, 7 new S ranks, 2 new jobs.

The advertising material will include content in the patches such as 2 new treasure maps, 12 new normal raids, 12 new savage raids, new ultimates (which means 2), 5-6 new trials and their extreme versions, 3 new alliance raids, new field operation (which means 2 new areas), a new deep dungeon, new variant/criterion, new exploration content that consists of 4 zones for crafters/gatherers, new pvp series, more blue mage and beastmaster updates, maybe a new limited job, even further unbelievable inconceivably inconceivable extra Hildibrand adventures, misc updates to PvP and the Gold Saucer such as a new GATE, CC map and Frontline map.
Tank and DPS.
4.0: DPS+DPS
5.0: Tank+DPS
6.0: Healer+DPS
7.0: DPS+DPS
Guess where we're up to next in the formula?
8.0: Tank+DPS

I keep wondering if they'd (claiming resource limitation) would end up doing just one DPS job for 8.0, likely aiming.

I know that jobs are expansion hype points, but I highly doubt they would do zero jobs as a management excuse for reworks.

Glamour catalog as the surprise new feature! (Yes I’m dreaming lol)

Old Sharlayan housing district… we’re due for another. (Or dreaming again, they finally add an instanced housing system!)

New tank… Mystic Knight
New DPS… not even going to hazard a guess (honestly don’t even know what I’d hope for at the moment)

If the whole “Winterer” thing was just a red herring, and we’re not going south (and sadly not to Meracydia… yet), let’s go to Final Fantasy Viking land! lol I’d love to see that kind of aesthetic for gear and especially hairstyles. Or Scotland… let’s see some real Highlanders!

Originally Posted by Khryseis_Astra

Glamour catalog as the surprise new feature! (Yes I’m dreaming lol)

I hope so! Also, greatly and I mean greatly expanding the character creator options and extending the graphical update to bodies.

I think we're going back to Ilsabard in 8.0. Hammer tank, pirate phys ranged for the new jobs. 'Job stuff' will be happening, so yeah, I think character creator, and overworld update would be worthwhile things to work on in 8.0.

They're just about out of Final Fantasy games to model it after.

Whatever big new thing they're going to do, Field zone or Island Sanctuary or Moon crafting, it needs to be released in 8.1 at the latest.

With DT, we had to wait until 2.1 for something new for crafting and 2.5 for something new for combat. It was around 10 and 11 months from launch.

IMO an expansion needs something big and new to draw in people and also make it feel like this is what the devs have been cooking for this expansion. Just two new jobs and the same formula for fight content when it's added and what it does, is beginning to get very stale.

And they can just look at what FFXI did. ToAU released with besieged and the first round of assault, and then it kept adding new types of content. Then WoTG released with the vastly expanded campaign that was a clear evolution of besieged, but felt entirely different.

People saying glamour unlock would be a selling point, this is what I'm feeling/hoping. I think glamour unlock was the first step to them hopefully implementing the glamour log in 8.0. Time to move on from the restrictive dresser/plate system. Every time they release another patch and add more gear, it becomes more and more unsustainable. We NEED the glamour log.

Originally Posted by Khryseis_Astra

If the whole “Winterer” thing was just a red herring, and we’re not going south

To be a red herring, it would have to be a deliberate misdirection in the first place.

I think people are taking "winterer" far too literally, and one specific literal interpretation (going elsewhere for winter) when other interpretations are possible: sheltering during a metaphorical rather than literal winter, a difficult time that will eventually turn in their favour if they just wait patiently.

Whatever it is, I don't want meracydia. It's goung to be boring dragon focused expansion again but this time set in africa (or australia)