Please just... Just change Living Dead

[Code_dionysus]

That change would be really funny for trolling. Aside from it, it has no purpose

The purpose is simple, to make Living Dead not be decimated by every bit of healing done. Dark Knight has Abyssal Drain, which could be turned into a delayed heal with Living Dead, or it could just be a massive benediction like it currently is in dungeon pulls.

This is on top of, mind you, having to stand in almost every AoE under the sun in order to get it to proc in the first place.

[Supersnow845]

Living dead is a test of team interplay which should be encouraged in an MMO but also one that I think the DRK themselves often shirks responsibility for choice in the best time to use it

The amount of times I’ve pre pulled a critcog then dropped a sacred soil and whispering dawn when the DRK stops only to have them immediately use living dead and try to hit one when I have 3 regens running is way too high. Living dead is best used when you understand how much of the healers kit they have burned through just as it’s the healers responsibility to know to allow it to go off if they can

There have also been times where I know the speed of my heals and how much damage is going off and I realise that IF living dead goes off it’ll be with like 1 second left and honestly it’s not worth risking so I’ll outheal it. To me that’s a strategic decision on the part of my healing kit

All of this works team interplay which is good anyway, living dead is another of those “it’s the only decently designed one in the bunch of overpowered nonsense so it ends up being the one people want changed”

[Code_dionysus]

Living dead is a test of team interplay which should be encouraged in an MMO but also one that I think the DRK themselves often shirks responsibility for choice in the best time to use it

The amount of times I’ve pre pulled a critcog then dropped a sacred soil and whispering dawn when the DRK stops only to have them immediately use living dead and try to hit one when I have 3 regens running is way too high. Living dead is best used when you understand how much of the healers kit they have burned through just as it’s the healers responsibility to know to allow it to go off if they can

There have also been times where I know the speed of my heals and how much damage is going off and I realise that IF living dead goes off it’ll be with like 1 second left and honestly it’s not worth risking so I’ll outheal it. To me that’s a strategic decision on the part of my healing kit

All of this works team interplay which is good anyway, living dead is another of those “it’s the only decently designed one in the bunch of overpowered nonsense so it ends up being the one people want changed”

I understand this thought, but my counterpoint is that, I point out several times that I am going to use Living Dead this pull, I then use Living Dead, when my HP is at 50% using a "Living Dead is active" macro, I then get to 5-10% Hp with 6-7 seconds left on it, then I get Benedictioned/Healed back to effectively full HP, effectively wasting the Living Dead, and now the healer has used resources they wouldn't have to if they just let me die, and actually proc the damn thing.

And believe me I play every job in this game to a passable level, My issue is that even with me doing everything in my power to be a good team mate, and let my healer know that Living Dead is coming during this pull, I will still inevitably be healed through it.

Hell, you can just Lily yourself if you want Afflatus Misery, you can keep using Art of War, or Gravity. Sage Kardia and Scholar Fairy gets a pass due to just being there innately.

My annoyance comes from seeing my scholar using a Critlo, Emergency Tactics on me, or White Mage Benediction when I still have 2-3 Mob hit GCDs before my Living Dead Drops off.

They're technically free sure, but you could be using almost anything else that doesn't heal and take up that GCD/oGCD slot, like using Lord of Crowns or Energy Drain, or hell save it until the Walking Dead drops so that the heals are actually going towards a health bar that isn't actively trying to be brought to 0, and is having mitigations applied to it.

I do agree with this however

Living dead is a test of team interplay which should be encouraged in an MMO

[Alice_Rivers]

I miss the 1HP Superbolide and people used to have macros for that too, the new version is just naff. As far as Living Dead goes though, I don't think there's a major issue with it, for myself I do see a tank having to invuln as a failure on my part but that doesn't mean I can't or shouldn't play into it when it is used. That said, I will pull people out of it if it becomes clear to me that it's not going to pop. I think it's just one of those things, healers should know how the tanks work (especially the invulns) just like tanks should know each healer's big cooldowns (Temperance, Neutral Sect, Synastry, etc) for much the same reasons.

[Azurarok]

I don't know if you realize how easy it is to heal up someone from low health, especially with WHM. There's also enough latency between players that often times we might just be throwing a heal your way right when you also hit Living Dead, and at that point it feels like a risk to let it go back down. It takes zero dps loss to do it nowadays so we often do it without paying attention a lot of the time too.

[Supersnow845]

There is definitely an element I’ve noticed that DRK’s seem to think that healers are sacrificing DPS to power heal to avoid living dead when in reality im just healing you because it’s free and easy and since your LD timer is half gone already it’s easier for me to pretend it doesn’t exist

[Azurarok]

DRKs really didn't deserve that self-heal portion of Living Dead did they

[Code_dionysus]

DRKs really didn't deserve that self-heal portion of Living Dead did they

IDK if this is a meme or not, but like, even without it, DRKs could just save Abyssal Drain and get roughly the same value out of Living Dead, if and when it procs.
The self healing portion of Living Dead was just a QoL feature because sprouts don't know that old Living Dead required them to actually heal the Dark Knight back to full HP in dungeons below level 56.

[RaionKansen]

What situation are you in where you absolutely have to get the "20s" out of living dead to fit in a second invuln?

[Code_dionysus]

What situation are you in where you absolutely have to get the "20s" out of living dead to fit in a second invuln?

that 15-20s lets someone fully use a TBN, and then as soon as it finishes use another, It can also let you use Rampart or Shadowed Vigil at the start of the next pull if you use it immediately after either.
And it's not that I Need it, but it makes both My and the Healer's jobs easier next pull by letting me have my stronger mitigations for the next pull as well, not to mention that if things go right, you can potentially get 3 Living Dead's in a dungeon.