Can we go back to using tomes to get relics?

[Kozh]

I'm genuinely curious. To all the people that seem to praise or at least defend the current relic steps that aren't tome based, do you find those steps fun and fulfilling to do? Do you have fun while farming fates? Do you find the fate gameplay enthralling or?

Yes. I farmed them in OC, so I can't speak of overworld FATEs grind, but yeah it's better than tomestone. OC CE, while not as fun as bozja, are okay. Having phantom jobs at least made things slightly more interesting.

With tomestone the feeling isn't just there, y'know?

[Aidorouge]

To answer that question seriously: Are you talking about when A Realm Reborn was current? Or today, when Dawntrail is current?

Because I have to assume (I'm a child of post-ShB) that it's a vastly different experience today grinding out an ARR relic, when you have flight and can unsync basically everything, compared to back-in-the-day, when you had to run everywhere and grind everything at-level.

Today, I'd rather pay 100 tomestones and do another book rather than increase the cost for that step by 8000 tomestones. Back-in-the-day? I can't say.

I finished the ARR relics in current year, and yeah, it was still pretty bad just because of how monotonous it was or how FATEs and poetics were the biggest gatekeep through the whole process even if certain things could be one-shotted unsync for other steps.

I don't even know HOW people ever completed them back in the day, especially when drops were worse, there were larger requirements at some steps, and so much missing QoL in general on top of jobs being probably clunkier.

Anyway, all of the non-poetic steps for the ARR and HW relics haven't exactly been riveting content even when synced, and I don't plan to do STB/SHB/DT relics at all because they're tethered to Field Operations. This makes EW relics a god-send from my point of view because its ONLY tomestones, even if poetics themselves are a scarce resource with the limited options I have. It'll take forever, sure, but at least that eternity won't be spent doing content I don't like.

[Mouthbone]

Relics should have some sort of grind associated with them, people that just want them to be tome dumps should stick to crafted EX weapons
They are called relics, not "I did my roulettes for a few days"-ics

[XtremePrime]

It's already like that though.
Once you finish the one-time grind of that respective step, future relic can be bought with just tomes!

[Mouthbone]

Yeah, I'm not jazzed about the DT relic implementation, but it's something
I would rather have something actually grindy instead of a timegate, but what can you do

[Valence]

The problem with the whole “tomestones allow you to do what you want” is that the non roulette non hunt tomestone farming options fall somewhere between heavily suboptimal and outright garbage

You don’t feel like you have a lot of choice, you just feel like you are being pigeonholed into roulettes

I do agree, I wanted to use CC for this and the tome rewards are way too poor to genuinely progress on all of them. FL are better, but that's still not great.

I’m not saying you said “I don’t want to farm for my relic” but the people who do say “I don’t like farming so that’s why I like tomestone relics” are basically saying they are walking into maccas and asking why they don’t serve KFC chicken strips

I'd farm the crap of what I like doing, until I'm bored and go back to it the next day.

I can't speak for the current relics as I refuse to set foot in OC for reasons that are irrelevant to the topic at hand but I will -readily- state I vastly prefer ShB and SB style relics to every other kind. Eureka was okay (I have criticisms) but I LOVED Bozja. Bozja to me was the perfect relic grind. Do I enjoy FATE grinding though? Honestly that's not something I've ever even really considered. What I enjoy is "mindless" content where I can say, listen to a book on tape/podcast/YT video/stream and just go through the motions with my brain mostly on auto-pilot. For me, this is incredibly relaxing and I enjoy it. FATE grinding falls under this umbrella so I suppose I could say yes I prefer FATE grinding to tomes as a relic step. Could the grind be more fun than FATEs? Sure, but that's beside the point.

This is funny you mention podcasts. Listening through the whole history of rome podcast is what made me grit my teeth and go through the whole of eureka. The experience was so tedious and boring that without it I would have dropped out after Anemos. In fact, if the weapon hadn't been BiS in Pyros+, I would still have dropped out I think.

The thing with the EW tomestone relics is, unless you like that particular look (and fair enough, same for all of them but whatever), there is absolutely no value to the EW relics. They are throwaway items. I doubt anyone is going to throw away an ARR, HW, Stb or Shb relic. Just due to the sheer amount of effort and time it takes to invest in obtaining a finished relic weapon. That is what relics should be. Not some fast-food like option.

I find it extremely puzzling to read that people can attribute any value behind relic weapons (even ARR), but I guess it's just me...

[Supersnow845]

I'd farm the crap of what I like doing, until I'm bored and go back to it the next day.

If you are enjoying something then why are you also asking for incentives that weren’t originally linked to it to be attached to it

That’s basically my origin of the “maccas vs KFC” analogy, relics have always been grinds, you don’t have to like the relics or like grinding but why go into content that has always been a grind and go “yeah I’d prefer to do this by not actually grinding”

[Valence]

I don't understand that comment. Where did I say that I didn't like grinding? Why do people constantly strawman us into "you don't like the content I like grinding, therefore you don't like grinding" idk

[Brandr]

I literally just took DRK from 90 to 100 only doing FATEs and still needed 4 Demiatma. Currently needing just 3 now.

At least give us an option to buy the materials with Tomestones in addition to the normal way please. Say 200 each or heck even 500 would work for me.

You don't like this game, you don't wanna play it. It's okay, bro
No one will judge you

[Kozh]

I don't understand that comment. Where did I say that I didn't like grinding? Why do people constantly strawman us into "you don't like the content I like grinding, therefore you don't like grinding" idk

If you don't like bozja/OC, fine, but shouldn't you advocate for improvement rather than go "this sucks, let's just make future relic tomestones (like EW)"?