Can we go back to using tomes to get relics?

[Masha_Awandah]

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For someone who hates relics so much, I find it odd that you would go out of your way to make all 10 Zeta weapons. But never mind that, there's something else I want to know.

What exactly do you want the relic to be? It doesn't sound like you want any of them, EW style grind or not.

Me, I'd be perfectly happy with Bozja 2.0, a relic tied to a field operation that can be done outside of it if you don't like that kind of content. Only thing I'd change is remove clearing Bozja as a requirement for out of field op options. That was dumb. What about you? What do you want?

Edit: Well, guess I won't get an answer to that question. Though if anyone else wants to answer it, I'd like to know what exactly everyone wants relics to be.

[Masha_Awandah]

There is no possible answer I can give you or anyone else where you or they won't argue me to death hoping I'll give up and agree with whatever method you deem "the only correct one".

I am tired of the endless bickering on these forums over content and difficulty, it just isn't worth discussing anymore.

Alright then. I just wanted to know what you would have wanted, maybe the idea would have been something I agree with.

[Yeonhee]

Edit: Well, guess I won't get an answer to that question. Though if anyone else wants to answer it, I'd like to know what exactly everyone wants relics to be.

I think their current system is kinda fine. You have to grind to get the relic the first time and it at least gives you a little something to do on-patch but still doesn't force you to do the same grind over and over again if you want multiple of them. And for those here who want relics to be tomes only, at least they have to "suffer" through the grind just once. That being said, I would have prefered the second step to be a different kind of grind instead of spamming roulettes. If roulettes were more diverse then sure, but after the 15th Crystal Tower in a row, it kinda gets tiring.

The tomes-only relics of EW were completely trash. I was getting my main jobs' relic at the very most two days after the patch dropped with absolutely no effort. I have about 10 Mandervillous relics with enough materials still lying around to make 3-4 more from start to finish and I could have got even more mats if I bothered using my unlimited tomes back in EW.

[SicariusSeven]

I honestly like how it is at the moment. You do the "grind" for one weapon. Then afterwards it's Tomestone hand in for every other weapon. The Manderville weapons were crazy easy in EW. Bozja in SHB felt consistent but you got locked behind those raids, but the upside was at least those raids would drop stuff 100%. DT's relic is a mix and it's not bad. The only thing I'm dreading is the "you must do X in Occult Crescent" or you can't progress the relic stage.

[Valence]

Well, I don't really do hunts all that much besides occasionally killing an S rank for achievements. As for roulettes, I usually do those for my weekly 450 tomes. I still need to gear up the Aiming/Scouting/Casting roles and I like improving all my jobs, even those I don't really use all that much. That usually means Expert/Level cap/Alliance with maybe Normal for fun. Occasionally I'll do high level if I'm bored or leveling for GC seals. And then there's Frontline and CC for Series exp, achievements, etc.

Out of curiosity, if you're not doing any of this stuff, what are you doing? Genuine curiosity, not trying to start a fight or anything, just to be clear. (Having trouble trying to word it in a nicer way, sorry.)

I used to run roulettes for fun before Endwalker. In ShB even though they harmed pve immensely, I still had some manner of flame burning and tried instead to hop between many different jobs because my absolute main job had been butchered to smithereens, trying vainly to find a new thing to enjoy. But after that? I pretty much stopped doing roulettes outside of getting tomes for new gear every tier, and even then it wasn't much because savage gave me most of said gear beyond the tome pieces. It's sad because back in HW and SB I actually just queued for expert and high level just for fun, even if I was capped already.

But to answer the question, I'm mostly playing pvp those days, quite a lot in fact. If the 6.1 pvp rework hadn't come I would probably have become a ghost in the game that only resubs for the story (ah yes, I guess i play the story but that's short lived after a day of patch), and considering what Dawntrail has been on that front, that's not a certainty either now.