Game pad vs Keyboard

[Dzian]

Also, not to mention, while you're "tabbing" through targets to get the right one, with the default controller setup you're also not moving. If you change movement to the other stick, or targeting to a different button you can, but then you can't do something else while moving and targeting. I can..

I fail to see how selecting targets prevents me from moving or doing something else.
I can run to a given nuke spot target my chosen mob and have my selected spell ready to cast before I even get there, start casting as soon as i get there and have second wind ready to pop as if i'm the first to get my spell of i'm likely to take a few hits.

the idea that I can't move my character if i'm selecting a target or something is very very wrong.

if i needed to i could run over here, target something over there, swing the camera around on it, hit any action i wanted to do and do it all at the same time.

I would simply say, if you can't then you suck with gamepads which is really no different to how i suck with a mouse and keyboard. comes down to preference.

[ispano]

I fail to see how selecting targets prevents me from moving or doing something else.
I can run to a given nuke spot target my chosen mob and have my selected spell ready to cast before I even get there, start casting as soon as i get there and have second wind ready to pop as if i'm the first to get my spell of i'm likely to take a few hits.

the idea that I can't move my character if i'm selecting a target or something is very very wrong.

if i needed to i could run over here, target something over there, swing the camera around on it, hit any action i wanted to do and do it all at the same time.

I would simply say, if you can't then you suck with gamepads which is really no different to how i suck with a mouse and keyboard. comes down to preference.

My point was that you're limited to how much you can do at the same time with a gamepad, I know this because I use one for many many games. If moving and targeting are the left stick and the dpad, which they are by default, unless you have weird fingers, you're not doing both at the same time.

[Inkie]

My point was that you're limited to how much you can do at the same time with a gamepad, I know this because I use one for many many games. If moving and targeting are the left stick and the dpad, which they are by default, unless you have weird fingers, you're not doing both at the same time.

You do realize... there is a whole nother hand on that controller right...? I assume you have an itty bitty microscopic right thumb that can't reach the dpad? (And that's only if you happen to be using strictly default setups... which also could be your problem..)

[ispano]

You do realize... there is a whole nother hand on that controller right...? I assume you have an itty bitty microscopic right thumb that can't reach the dpad? (And that's only if you happen to be using strictly default setups... which also could be your problem..)

My problem? I can play just fine with the controller. I can play just fine with Keyboard/Mouse. Does my personal preference or skill automatically negate that one is better than the other? No. My point with the comment you replied to is that with a controller, you're more limited in what you can do at once. And obviously you can put targeting on the right side, and before a fight you can have the skill you want to use preselected. But in the middle of a fight if you have to move around your bars and buttons, move, AND target all at the same time, can you? Sure if you set up the controller just right you can in theory do it all, but a Mouse/KB will still do it better.

[Dzian]

My problem? I can play just fine with the controller. I can play just fine with Keyboard/Mouse. Does my personal preference or skill automatically negate that one is better than the other? No. My point with the comment you replied to is that with a controller, you're more limited in what you can do at once. And obviously you can put targeting on the right side, and before a fight you can have the skill you want to use preselected. But in the middle of a fight if you have to move around your bars and buttons, move, AND target all at the same time, can you? Sure if you set up the controller just right you can in theory do it all, but a Mouse/KB will still do it better.

so with a keyboard and mouse, can you move around your target using wasd or whatever the keys are by default, hit your abilities on 7890 numbers. click your targets with the mouse? fairly tricky without 3 hands, doing that i'd personally have my left hand on wasd my right hand on 7890 and my third hand on the mouse.... oh wait......

with a control pad i can do everything you asked at the same time. and thats using the default settings for an xbox pad alot more comfortably than trying to find 3 hands. your point that a keyboard and mouse is far superior is just so very wrong

[FerFox]

i use controller 100% of the time, only use keyboard for chat and when i want to walk instead of run. only thing i don't like about the controller is the targeting system.

[ispano]

so with a keyboard and mouse, can you move around your target using wasd or whatever the keys are by default, hit your abilities on 7890 numbers. click your targets with the mouse? fairly tricky without 3 hands, doing that i'd personally have my left hand on wasd my right hand on 7890 and my third hand on the mouse.... oh wait......

with a control pad i can do everything you asked at the same time. and thats using the default settings for an xbox pad alot more comfortably than trying to find 3 hands. your point that a keyboard and mouse is far superior is just so very wrong

I can actually, played FPS games and MMOs for 10 years, not to mention if I really wanted I could remap keys near WASD to those last few slots.

A keyboard/mouse IS far superior for the type of game this is and when the ui issues and such holding it back vanish in 2.0 it'll be even more pronounced. Compare the two on what they are and can do and not if you or someone else can use it well and it becomes apparent.

[Kinseykinz]

My point was that you're limited to how much you can do at the same time with a gamepad, I know this because I use one for many many games. If moving and targeting are the left stick and the dpad, which they are by default, unless you have weird fingers, you're not doing both at the same time.

except we have auto-run...so you can auto run, and target...and then turn off auto run to stop...it's a coordination thing

[ispano]

except we have auto-run...so you can auto run, and target...and then turn off auto run to stop...it's a coordination thing

Except with auto run you turn, you can't strafe.

[Kinseykinz]

Except with auto run you turn, you can't strafe.

It is moments like this, I wish I DID actually use programs like fraps for gameplay footage from my angle. I am able to keep facing the target just fine as battle them on jobs like Monk WITH a controller.The only exception is if you run straight through them...and in this case, in a battle a weapon skill will still accurately go off even if you don't turn around...so you can combo, then turn around if you wish...so maybe, maybe i might miss one auto-attack, but again, hasn't really ever been noticable on any parcer I've been a part of as a DD. Which leads me back to....it's a gameplay preference thing.



Again, preference and practice.