We don't need them anymore.

[KolaPepper]

You don't even pay attention to what you have written.

And even MORE hyperbole. Listen, me having opinions and voicing them is not "obsession."

Ah I see that why you misunderstood me now. I didn't mean that keeping the feast rewards gone would make the game AS punishing as real life. Obviously missing out on a life changing job opportunity is worse than missing out on a digital video game item. But they both embody the same principle of missing out on your chance to obtain them. Sorry if I was unclear about that.

No one is saying they need to bring back the feast game mode, only the rewards. Bringing back all of the 1.0 zones as well as their specific rewards is a much larger ask than simply turning on a switch to add feast rewards back in the game nor have I seen anyone asking for that. You just want to compare a simple request to an unreasonable request to make yourself seem more convincing.

You are free to have your opinion on it, just like I'm free to have my opinion that I don't think square enix should worry about what someone who didn't play for 9 years is "fine" with. You do not represent what the majority of players feel is acceptable for an mmo that they pay a monthly sub for. The game is in a much better state than when you were originally playing and it will continue to improve without the devs needing to tell the players to "grow up" and deal with it.

[Shipp]

Ah I see that why you misunderstood me now. I didn't mean that keeping the feast rewards gone would make the game AS punishing as real life. Obviously missing out on a life changing job opportunity is worse than missing out on a digital video game item. But they both embody the same principle of missing out on your chance to obtain them. Sorry if I was unclear about that.

No one is saying they need to bring back the feast game mode, only the rewards. Bringing back all of the 1.0 zones as well as their specific rewards is a much larger ask than simply turning on a switch to add feast rewards back in the game nor have I seen anyone asking for that. You just want to compare a simple request to an unreasonable request to make yourself seem more convincing.

You are free to have your opinion on it, just like I'm free to have my opinion that I don't think square enix should worry about what someone who didn't play for 9 years is "fine" with. You do not represent what the majority of players feel is acceptable for an mmo that they pay a monthly sub for. The game is in a much better state than when you were originally playing and it will continue to improve without the devs needing to tell the players to "grow up" and deal with it.

Of course nobody is clamoring for the actual game mode back or 1.0. Because they sucked. The real reason so many people are wanting this specific set unlocked is specifically because it is exclusive. Not because they actually want it. They just don't like that they can't have it.


It isn't an unreasonable request at all. Going by your logic that FOMO NEVER is good, then one could certainly argue the point I presented. It isn't to make my argument more convincing, it's to show the glaring flaws with your own.

Also, hun, I subbed to XI for 10 years. Prior to and alongside this one. Trust me, you don't want to split hairs over who has subbed to SE longer. Also, the dumbing down of all the jobs is hardly a "better state" than when I left. But you wouldn't know that.

[KolaPepper]

Of course nobody is clamoring for the actual game mode back or 1.0. Because they sucked. The real reason so many people are wanting this specific set unlocked is specifically because it is exclusive. Not because they actually want it. They just don't like that they can't have it.


It isn't an unreasonable request at all. Going by your logic that FOMO NEVER is good, then one could certainly argue the point I presented. It isn't to make my argument more convincing, it's to show the glaring flaws with your own.

Also, hun, I subbed to XI for 10 years. Prior to and alongside this one. Trust me, you don't want to split hairs over who has subbed to SE longer. Also, the dumbing down of all the jobs is hardly a "better state" than when I left. But you wouldn't know that.

Being subbed to a completely different game for a decade does not make you an expert on what ffxiv needs to do to improve. My decade old Poptropica account holds as much influence as your decade old ffXI account does in regards to ffxiv.

FOMO is indeed never good. There is no benefit to having it in a game people pay a sub for. And the feast rewards in question have some of the coolest mounts/armor sets in the game in my opinion. I can't speak on why other people want it but I know I don't like the idea of them being gone forever just to prove a life lesson about not being able to obtain everything. The only thing I'll agree with you on is that 1.0 and the feast game mode sucked.

[Shipp]

Being subbed to a completely different game for a decade does not make you an expert on what ffxiv needs to do to improve. My decade old Poptropica account holds as much influence as your decade old ffXI account does in regards to ffxiv.

FOMO is indeed never good. There is no benefit to having it in a game people pay a sub for. And the feast rewards in question have some of the coolest mounts/armor sets in the game in my opinion. I can't speak on why other people want it but I know I don't like the idea of them being gone forever just to prove a life lesson about not being able to obtain everything. The only thing I'll agree with you on is that 1.0 sucked.

Oh, I like how you have declared yourself the judge of what counts and what doesn't, now that another one of your snarky remarks was rebuked.

May I ask, how long have you been subbed exactly? How long must I have subbed to XIV to make me an equal expert as to you on what is best for XIV?

Since FOMO is indeed never good, then SE should 100% release another version of 1.0 through the NG+ system and allow late-adopters like yourself to experience that which is now lost to time for you folks. Surely you agree with that, since FOMO is NEVER good, right? Or is it now "FOMO is NEVER good*" *-limiting conditions apply.

[KolaPepper]

Also, the dumbing down of all the jobs is hardly a "better state" than when I left. But you wouldn't know that.

This is also funny to hear from someone who hasn't even unlocked their full level 100 kit on any job. Makes me think you just heard this from a youtuber instead of seeing it for yourself.

[Shipp]

This is also funny to hear from someone who hasn't even unlocked their full level 100 kit on any job. Makes me think you just heard this from a youtuber instead of seeing it for yourself.

It's very hard to look up job rotations online, apparently. It's very hard to look in the actions and traits menu, apparently.

Also, back then, you didn't have to be max level for the jobs to have more complexity. So again, i'd argue it was in a better state back then.

Seriously, I was in endgame before you even touched the game. Is my level really the thing you're going to continue to bring up when every other angle of debate has been shot down for you?


"Lol but you're not 100! Game totally changes then!" Yes, and I can see that everything sucks below level 90, because I have looked into optimizing rotations on all of the jobs that have been reworked since the last time I played.

[KolaPepper]

Oh, I like how you have declared yourself the judge of what counts and what doesn't, now that another one of your snarky remarks was rebuked.

May I ask, how long have you been subbed exactly? How long must I have subbed to XIV to make me an equal expert as to you on what is best for XIV?

Since FOMO is indeed never good, then SE should 100% release another version of 1.0 through the NG+ system and allow late-adopters like yourself to experience that which is now lost to time for you folks. Surely you agree with that, since FOMO is NEVER good, right? Or is it now "FOMO is NEVER good*" *-limiting conditions apply.

I have been consistently subbed for about 4 years I think? Definitely not as long as a lot of people here but I think it's safe to say I have more experience than someone who came back a month ago from a 9 year hiatus. You don't need to be an ff14 expert though to understand that playing ffxi for a long time doesn't mean you know what ff14 needs to do. Unless of course your goal is make ff14 as close to ffxi as possible. Which is a questionable goal but a goal nonetheless.

And you keep trying to tie my stance on the feast rewards with bringing back 1.0 more because you lack the ability to see nuance rather than my argument having holes in it.

[KolaPepper]

It's very hard to look up job rotations online, apparently. It's very hard to look in the actions and traits menu, apparently.

Also, back then, you didn't have to be max level for the jobs to have more complexity. So again, i'd argue it was in a better state back then.

Seriously, I was in endgame before you even touched the game. Is my level really the thing you're going to continue to bring up when every other angle of debate has been shot down for you?


"Lol but you're not 100! Game totally changes then!" Yes, and I can see that everything sucks below level 90, because I have looked into optimizing rotations on all of the jobs that have been reworked since the last time I played.

Ok so you experienced endgame 9 years ago. 9 years is a long time for things to change so excuse me if I don't see you as the expert you want me to see you as. If you can truly tell what is good and bad about CURRENT endgame in the big 2025 without touching it a single time yourself then wow you must be a much better player than I thought man. Truly impressive stuff.

[Shipp]

I have been consistently subbed for about 4 years I think? Definitely not as long as a lot of people here but I think it's safe to say I have more experience than someone who came back a month ago from a 9 year hiatus. You don't need to be an ff14 expert though to understand that playing ffxi for a long time doesn't mean you know what ff14 needs to do. Unless of course your goal is make ff14 as close to ffxi as possible. Which is a questionable goal but a goal nonetheless.

And you keep trying to tie my stance on the feast rewards with bringing back 1.0 more because you lack the ability to see nuance rather than my argument having holes in it.

I played from 2010 until 2015. So still have played the game longer than you, even with a 9 year hiatus.

And no, your argument does have holes in it. Don't try this NuANcE excuse after you dug the hole yourself. FOMO is NEVER good. There are people who would like to experience the original 1.0 story again, and others who would like to see it for the first time. I'd love for them to go back and add 1.23's questline to the game again to NG+ it. FOMO is NEVER good, so it should be added back. While 1.0 sucked, and specific aspects like the potted plant in Ul'Dah that had the same amount of polygons as player models sucked, the later patches' questlines didn't. I'd love to replay them again.

Also, come to think of it, since you have only played for 4 years, how would you even know the game is in a much better state now than it was when I quit in Heavensward? Sounds to me like you have no basis to make that claim. If I can't judge lvl 100 job rotations (since I apparently cannot look them up and piece them together with the action and trait menu myself, according to your logic), then how in the world can you comment on the state of the game when I played last, 6 years prior to you ever touching the game to begin with?

[KolaPepper]

I played from 2010 until 2015. So still have played the game longer than you, even with a 9 year hiatus.

And no, your argument does have holes in it. Don't try this NuANcE excuse after you dug the hole yourself. FOMO is NEVER good. There are people who would like to experience the original 1.0 story again, and others who would like to see it for the first time. I'd love for them to go back and add 1.23's questline to the game again to NG+ it. FOMO is NEVER good, so it should be added back. While 1.0 sucked, and specific aspects like the potted plant in Ul'Dah that had the same amount of polygons as player models sucked, the later patches' questlines didn't. I'd love to replay them again.

Also, come to think of it, since you have only played for 4 years, how would you even know the game is in a much better state now than it was when I quit in Heavensward? Sounds to me like you have no basis to make that claim. If I can't judge lvl 100 job rotations (since I apparently cannot look them up and piece them together with the action and trait menu myself, according to your logic), then how in the world can you comment on the state of the game when I played last, 6 years prior to you ever touching the game to begin with?

You played more than me on a version of the game that doesn't exist anymore. Congrats I guess? And yes, you trying your hardest to portray my stance in black and white means you lack any nuance whatsoever. People who want to experience the 1.0 story again can watch a youtube video of it and get a similar experience. People who want the feast rewards are out of luck until the devs add them back in the game. The differences are there, you are just too stubborn to acknowledge them.

And I meant the game is in a better state overall, I can't comment too much on the job changes over the years because like you said I didn't experience the heavensward jobs myself. So we are both opposite sides of the same coin in a sense. You admittingly know more about the game as it was 9 years ago and I know more about it in it's current state. Once you reach dawntrail endgame you can apply all of your knowledge from the past to the present and come back and prove me wrong. As it stands now though from my perspective, you are talking about things you don't know much about.