We don't need them anymore.

[Astronis]

NOBODY!!! cares about what happened 10 years ago,

You obviously care. This whole thread is full of people who really very obviously care. Be honest about that.

ETA:

Despite the lovely, hard-stuck Gold players' opinions on win-trading back in the day, most Feasters are great with them coming back. They just want them earned again through ranked in the same manner.

Put them on the Commendation Crystal vendor. Seems like the best way to go about it.

[Kohashi]

You obviously care. This whole thread is full of people who really very obviously care. Be honest about that.

ETA:


Put them on the Commendation Crystal vendor. Seems like the best way to go about it.

I actually don't.

I think PVP is ass overall. I hardly engage with it, and I mostly do it only if I want some of the rewards. I played this season a bit more after a 2-year break. I do, however, recognize that while I don't like PVP, there are some who really love and enjoy PVP.

So, in short, even if I don't like a mode or activity, I still am a firm believer that people should be able to obtain and have a chance to get these rewards.

[Reimmi]

Tell me you've never played MMOs before FFXIV without telling me.

The solution to this is to create brand new sets, or carrots, if you will. Not recycle old ones that people worked hard to get under the promise of them being exclusive and limited-time availability only.

The problem with this is when only one part of the game works this way it makes no sense.
why is PVP the only mode that gets time exclusive rewards for being a top end player? They don't turn off ultimates after the expansion is over, you can go back and steamroll savage raids a year later and get the mount and glam.
It never made sense in wow either.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

why is PVP the only mode that gets time exclusive rewards for being a top end player? They don't turn off ultimates after the expansion is over[...]

Sigh... ok, look - I'm not completely on board with them originally doing it, but I can understand the reasoning. You need to compare the right aspects.

Ultimate/Savage in PVE is a challenge, you fight a script and not other players (hopefully), therefore you are not competing, so time-gating it has no meaning. If the World First race in various High-End content had rewards for the top teams, that would be a competition again, closer to Ranked Top 100.

PvP Top 100 of Feast days was a competition, not a challenge. You were competing for top spots that contained a trophy (mounts, armor) and the original idea was to finalize the trophy rewards to the best 100 that participated during each respective season. Naturally this means that for winners to be decided, the season has to end.

An equivalent to the unlimited access of Ultimate weapons would actually be originally HELLHOUND weapons, as the Wolf collars could be obtained at any season since their release (they werent available to Casual/Training mode). So you cannot compare Ultimate weapons to Top 100 rewards.


Why did they do that? Because they chose so, because Japanese player culture, at least at the time, respects stuff like this. There is probably a lot of reasons that originally lead to that system in the first place. Im ok with replicas to be introduced to give access to its designs, but I'm not going to lie to myself and say "oh there should have never been any time-gate to begin with" or make crude comparisons to ultimate.

[Araxes]

As much as I find the whole topic stupid and think those rewards should come back, I want to point out that Araxes was one of the few pvpers back then who actively spoke out on this forum against the blatant win trading.
I wasn't active back then here but was still following the forum (I think it was around 2017 or 2018) and I still remember a thread about it.

So while I don't agree with their stance, I really think they are a someone who earned those rewards fair and square.

I do to this day. I am for this reason not participating in Crystal Conflict since Season 2 because i was met with Cheating and Win Trading as early as Season 1.

I do not know who set the claim "All feast rewards were win traded" in motion, but the first 4 Seasons were the fairest ones in the Game when it comes to the Soloqueue. The Team version of Feast was Win traded AF right from the beginning. I guess it did not help that joining in Teams made it far easier. Probably the reason it was removed.

Something i also don't understand is people understanding my post as screaming or crying. Maybe any form of criticism is crying to them. If yes: That must be difficult to live with.

It is pretty simple to me. We (the PvPers back then) were sold a Time limited Premium reward for achieving a certain Goal. For the sake of comparison: imagine yourself participating in a sports tournament or a Card Game tournament. You practice and train. You are told you get a unique and time limited Trophy, reward, whatever. You actually win! You did not think you could but you did! You get your Time limited Exclusive Trophy! You are so happy!

Years Later the same thing gets sold for a few bucks at a souvenir store with the small word (replica) printed on the back where no one can see it. Now they all run around and claim they won the tournament.

It is not about other people though. It is about yet another broken promise/word.

[KolaPepper]

It is pretty simple to me. We (the PvPers back then) were sold a Time limited Premium reward for achieving a certain Goal. For the sake of comparison: imagine yourself participating in a sports tournament or a Card Game tournament. You practice and train. You are told you get a unique and time limited Trophy, reward, whatever. You actually win! You did not think you could but you did! You get your Time limited Exclusive Trophy! You are so happy!

Years Later the same thing gets sold for a few bucks at a souvenir store with the small word (replica) printed on the back where no one can see it. Now they all run around and claim they won the tournament.

Anyone who has the original feast gear will still have their bragging rights as their gear won't say "replica" on it. Im not sure how the mounts will work but anyone using the replica gear and claiming to have won it in the feast all those years ago will easily be called out just from the name of their gear for not actually winning it from the original feast.

Your trophy scenario also applies because someone who wasn't on the team that won the football superbowl could easily just 3D print the trophy. They could even pay a lot of money to have a replica trophy casted in real gold that looks basically 1 to 1 of the real thing. But no matter how many trophies they replicate, they will never be able to say that they earned the real one and if they do try to do that then anyone will quickly call them a liar.

You have the original and no one can say otherwise. That along with the feeling of accomplishment for winning top 100 is reward enough in my honest opinion for the veterans.

[Heroman3003]

Years Later the same thing gets sold for a few bucks at a souvenir store with the small word (replica) printed on the back where no one can see it. Now they all run around and claim they won the tournament.

You see, that's where your comparison falls apart. Because it's not a trophy you won. You won a cool fancy hat that nobody else has. Nobody else but you cares about the tournament you won years ago, they buy the replica just want the same hat. Nobody will bother claiming they won it because they don't care about how it was gotten, only that it looks good. And if somebody does claim to have won, proving them is as easy as pointing to the little 'replica' label and then laughing at them. But you won't have to do that because nobody gives a damn about your old rankings or tournaments or whatever it was. People just want their fancy hat, and would wear that hat even if it had a huge "IM A TOTAL LOSER WHO BUYS REPLICAS INSTEAD OF JOINING THE GAME TEN YEARS AGO" label on it as long as it actually looks the same.

[Astronis]

You see, that's where your comparison falls apart. Because it's not a trophy you won. You won a cool fancy hat that nobody else has.

The trophy was a cool fancy hat.

[Heroman3003]

The trophy was a cool fancy hat.

Well, that's the issue with comparison. A trophy is a trophy in that it only exists to show off your achievement. It doesn't have any other purpose.

A hat exists to look good. Using a hat that looks super good as a trophy is just asking for someone to start copying it because it looks good with 0 care or regard for whatever the hat meant as 'a trophy'.

Plus you get to keep your special 'trophy' hat. After all, everyone will be able to instantly tell if someone's using a 'fake' one. To me it seems like OP is fully aware that nobody in the modern community gives a shit about achievements of PVPers from 10 years ago, and that those rewards were the only way they'd ever get any acknowledgement for those and the moment you can get the same looks without needing the actual 'trophy' attached, their peak life moment of "top100 wintrader gamemode player" will lose what little value it had remaining.

[Shistar]

It's fairly obvious why some people, particularly those who own these rewards, wouldn't be happy to see them released for everyone to obtain. Even worse if it's just a matter of paying a few wolf marks or something similar.
But OP, you really don't drive a strong point. You're like I don't play the game and don't care for it, but I don't want ANYONE to EVER even think of touching MY toys from 10 years ago. They're mine even if I don't wanna play with them ever again.
It just comes off as very selfish and immature.

Yes, you earned it. You spent a lot of effort to obtain these rewards that were limited to only a few for an extremely long time, and announced as such. But the value is not in the item itself, it is the emotional attachment you and the players that were around back then place on it. Most of those players are now gone (and thus are no longer here to place value on this item) or have grown out of this mentality. No new-ish player will be able to tell you what the hell the Feast is (unless they went out of their way to learn about it), and most likely they won't even care unless they like a specific reward.
Even after you fully leave the game, even after the game itself is gone and the items are lost forever, you will have the memories to cherish. I've played a few games that are dead by now and I'm sure you have too. None of us brought any special items on our way out, and the days of other players looking at you in awe are long gone.

I know I'm not changing OP's mind or anyone who has been pushing back relentlessly about this. But the fact of the matter is that YoshiP announced this is something they're interested in bringing back for the greater public who has been requesting it for years, so it's time to make your peace with it. You're not winning this fight because the amount of people who want these items far outnumber you. I've also had to make my peace with things I heavily disliked about this game.

The item you own will still be unique, a replica is taking nothing away from you. I understand seeing it around will be upsetting, especially at first when everyone and their dog will get it and wear it everywhere, but you know you've got the real deal. Anyone checking your gear will know it too, because you won't have the "Replica" tag attached to your stuff... but at this point in the game, there won't be many players who will be able to understand the value this item used to have to you, unobtainable or not.
It is most likely the mounts will remain fully unique and special titles will still be unobtainable. We're likely mostly considering gear-related rewards, at least for now.

Know that those pushing back are fighting a lost battle; the fact that they've announced it means you've already lost.