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    Quote Originally Posted by RedLolly View Post
    I don't think it's that strange.

    I would point to the real life phenomena of how it seems like every other culture in human history seems to have a version of a dragon in their mythos and folklore. The best theory I've heard behind this is that people were finding dinosaur bones, but even that is a theory. Tural Vidraal and Auspices being so similar but also wildly different can be a similar idea as how east Asian dragons have many similarities but are so different from dragon myths of Europe, but other differences and similarities from the myths of the Americas that Tural is based upon.
    But even that raises a question.

    If we're dealing with almost inevitable convergent development of ideas that then itself became reality, then in that case, why did it only develop on two continents? Why didn't Eorzea seed the same thing?


    It's just not a particularly good explanation for this in terms of 'questions raised vs. questions answered'.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lunair View Post
    Both Kami and Auspices are specifically mentioned explicitely to be a result of collective faith in this statement, and the parallels between Auspices and Tural Vidraal is brought up in the MSQ itself, essentially confirming that they're essentially just seperate cases of the same phenomenon. This is consistent with literally every other example we have of "naturally occuring primals"
    Except that, again, neither continent actually believes in the Auspices/Tural Vidraal as deities in the way we understand it. Some Auspices are incidentally worshipped more as an after-the-fact thing (specifically the Four Lords, probably because of the whole Tenzen story), but there's others that are completely unknown, and the Tural Vidraal don't even have that; they're treated as a natural threat, like an apex predator.

    There's no aspect of faith in either Auspices or Tural Vidraals, except in the sense that we have faith in something like gravity; it's an observed fact, a Thing That Happens. The Pilgrim's Traverse has put forward a way that itself could be influenced by belief, but that's not even a proven fact about the subject that idea came up about. Applying it to the Auspices and Tural Vidraal is just supposition on top of supposition; it can't be treated as agreed-on supplemental evidence.

    That quote is literally too vague to make anything out of, especially given it was part of an unscripted interview from seven years ago. It should not be treated as gospel above what the game itself says.
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    Last edited by Cleretic; 10-26-2025 at 02:31 PM.

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