Why Frontlines is a bad Gamemode

[Themarvin]

Well to be fair... you can put the 'entry' level pvp thing entirely away, there IS no entry level PvP in any game at all unless you add a ranking system to front lines... entry level content is PvE based because you can adjust the NPC enemies to whatever, when you get to player vs player in any shape and form, you reach an entire different level.

There is no entry level PvP about front lines nor CC.. or any other PvP mode.... experience and learning curve the much harder way and with front line there is one rule over them all, split out group in all directions and you will get served from both of the other teams on two front lines being heavy outnumbered... second... if you encounter the flank king scenario... take a sharp look at the DRK's they go more to the the sides being alone... take advantage of that and you will see some funny things as it will fall apart.

EDIT:
There is no chance of winning, unless you put in an effort, in PvP only first place matters... and anyone who has played their favorite PvP job and keeping on doing such, will become quite good at it, there IS no meta.

EDIT 2:
You can queue in as the Job you want experience on, and switch to your favorite job inside, you will get experience for the job you queued in as in Front Lines.

[NevaehQuest]

its a meme gamemobe, super rng, just have fun. I don't wanna say things bad about the dev, the the dev is the god you hear me? I love the dev, I love you, please don't ban me again.

[echo78]

I mostly run solo queue. In 259 matches this patch I have won 117 (45.17%), gotten second 80 times (30.89%) and third 62 times (23.94%). Yes, some times I get the team of rouletters and we get smoked. But if you are a good player you should be able to influence close games and have a win rate above 33%, even as a solo queue player.

Premades aren't unstoppable if your team is willing to try. Mark the dark knight commander. Mark the dancer. Tell your team to watch out for them and to purify (guard is useless when that dancer is about to LB) and run away when the they see the DRK diving in. Recognize who the GNB that just wants to damage pad is. Wait for their defensive buffs to be a second away from ending and stun lock them. I've seen a GNB do 3mil+ damage one game, I marked them the next game and kept them to a max of BH2 because I kept CCing them over and over as their buffs dropped off.

Play the map and make correct callouts. Its easy to make a giant comeback on onsal or to make a comeback on shatter because the premade ignores ice completely and only wants to kill. Pay attention to what nodes spawn on onsal or seal rock. Sometimes its better to attack the team in second or third place at the end of games on onsal and seal rock because you can see they are about to get an S rank node for free. Near the end of a game on shatter you have to be willing to pinch through an enemy team's spawn on shatter (or jump from the cliff) if it prevents them from winning with big ice (do not just job with the other team at the normal entrance to their ice, this lets them break the big ice for free).

Again, some games will simply be unwinnable because your team is all rouletters and are just that bad. But most games will be relatively close and you can help influence those outcomes by playing well.

[Gaiinahat]

Premades aren't unstoppable if your team is willing to try.

Hard to beat when two teams of premades are working together to farm the non-premade team without touching each other until all 48 have BH5.

To add insult to injury, if you say something your own team attacks you with "play better". At that point, you're not playing PvP, you're just feeding the other teams.

[Valence]

We need more players in CC, which arguable doesn't suffer from most of those problems?

[Valence]

Didn't they start letting premades into Crystalline Conflict though? Because that would just make me treat the mode as no better than Frontlines.

Actually, wait no, CC would be worst because at least FL has a roulette bonus to soothe the ache after its over.

I haven't played a lot of casual since the addition. But unlike for FL, CC has a matchmaking system in place. We can criticize it for a lot of things and I don't know how well it holds with duos, but there is one that supposedly should alleviate issues?