How should tbn get changed/updated?

[Wyndam]

Add a HoT when it expires regardless of whether the shield was used or not. Delete Oblation which feels even more like it's just button bloat after the Dark Mind change. Alternatively, allowing the unused portion of the shield to convert to healing when the shield expires would lower the skill floor. 2nd alternate suggestion would be roll the mitigation from Oblation into TBN but I can only imagine the complaints if that happened.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

[...]Delete Oblation which feels even more like it's just button bloat after the Dark Mind change.[...]

Being able to freely throw a 10% mitigation to self or a teammate on a 60s recharge, indepedently of Dark Mind and TBN, is not button bloat. The power is in its flexibility. 10% is also not a small amount if you layer it with other things. I mean, healers have a plethora of things doing 10% mitigation (single-target and AOE). It's not your first-response tool, but an extra layer to your bulk.

Sorry, but every comment that says "delete Oblation because its bloat" disappoints me a little. How about we "don't" delete things based on a whim?

[Mecia]

Its application time should be made faster.

Sorry, but every comment that says "delete Oblation because its bloat" disappoints me a little. How about we "don't" delete things based on a whim?

Oblation and the shorter CD on TBN honestly makes DRK feel like it has the most 'tank' identity.

[Carighan]

Its application time should be made faster.

This weird non-equal delay to things in FFXIV is so weird. If at least all skills had the same delays of press->application and application->effect, then I'd be okay. But somehow TBN has a far longer time between when you get the buff and when the shield can start absorbing damage than other shields!

[Mesarthim]

This weird non-equal delay to things in FFXIV is so weird. If at least all skills had the same delays of press->application and application->effect, then I'd be okay. But somehow TBN has a far longer time between when you get the buff and when the shield can start absorbing damage than other shields!

It isn't just TBN since Manaward on BLM has the same issue. Press it too late and you still get punched in the face without the pillow.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

It isn't just TBN since Manaward on BLM has the same issue. Press it too late and you still get punched in the face without the pillow.

Application timing is one part of the equation, the other is how damage calculation is working. Basically, when damage occurs, it checks for a bunch of things like "are you immune to damage? does it crit? do you block/parry?" and shields tend to be very early in the calculation from what I could feel/figure out as it's basically just checking what your HP is first. (shields are just yellow HP)

That's why things like Hallowed Ground (immunity check) were notorious for having to be pressed early enough else it being ignored - this got improved over time.

I think it more or less checks things in this order:

1.) Immunity
2.) HP values
3.) Mitigation effects
4.) Crit [yes/no]
5.) If no crit: Block [yes/no]
6.) If no block: Parry [yes/no]
7.) Can you die? (Holmgang/Living Dead)
8.) Are you dead? (HP <= 0)

That's why you can activate Holmgang and Living Dead after a snapshot already occured as the animation goes out - I did it many times in ultimates (10-30ms latency), it's quite silly.

[Carighan]

Add a HoT when it expires regardless of whether the shield was used or not. Delete Oblation which feels even more like it's just button bloat after the Dark Mind change. Alternatively, allowing the unused portion of the shield to convert to healing when the shield expires would lower the skill floor. 2nd alternate suggestion would be roll the mitigation from Oblation into TBN but I can only imagine the complaints if that happened.

I was thinking the same but I'd just flat-out merge it: After TBN expires (no matter why or now), you get another X seconds of 10% DR. Delete Oblation in turn. Done.

Being able to freely throw a 10% mitigation to self or a teammate on a 60s recharge, indepedently of Dark Mind and TBN, is not button bloat. The power is in its flexibility.

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It is button bloat. It also gives flexibility. But it also is just button bloat, as we already have multiple versions of percentage-DR, both for ourselves and others.