Player Drop Off and Accessibility/Diffculty

[Kohashi]

I can tell who doesn't play healer from the amount of people here throwing their hands up in the air and saying even if you res someone, you wipe. In Ultimates, maybe, but most savages have enough wiggle room to make it so healers can EASILY res the dps into the DPS' correct position, then run/dash over to their own position. Which is the skill aspect. But yeah, if you're a non-support DPS you're mostly snoozing lol.

It depends on the timing. Savage is more lenient, but even there, there are limited times when you can save the run. It also vastly depends on which turn of the tier it is. The higher you go, the fewer opportunities you get; however, I will say that good healers absolutely make a lot of difference.

[0blivion]

It depends on the timing. Savage is more lenient, but even there, there are limited times when you can save the run. It also vastly depends on which turn of the tier it is. The higher you go, the fewer opportunities you get; however, I will say that good healers absolutely make a lot of difference.

I do agree with that take! The current tier is weird because M6S is very much a "you can die until add phase and after add phase, not in add phase though" fight, meanwhile M4S from last tier was such a pushover that unless you failed Sunrise or EE2 you could recover almost anything. It does get nasty from M7S though, lol. But yeah Idk, the game did get dumbed down, but the attention span of the average FFXIV player is low enough that healers won't run out of stuff to do for a while... unless you're in a static because then most things will go smoothly.

[Kohashi]

I do agree with that take! The current tier is weird because M6S is very much a "you can die until add phase and after add phase, not in add phase though" fight, meanwhile M4S from last tier was such a pushover that unless you failed Sunrise or EE2 you could recover almost anything. It does get nasty from M7S though, lol. But yeah Idk, the game did get dumbed down, but the attention span of the average FFXIV player is low enough that healers won't run out of stuff to do for a while... unless you're in a static because then most things will go smoothly.

M6S is not so much when people die, but who dies. If it's the tanks, well, GL and fingers crossed! Everyone else is not that critical. You can still save the run, including missing towers, either with extra mits for the spicy dot or tank LB.

M4s did have some key moments when you had to have everyone. EE2, more than EE1, then it was Cannons, followed by transition with short opportunities for raises, because the last AOE was a semi body check, and then as soon as you changed the platform, you had another soft body check. Pvp Cannons was funny but you could still get lucky and have 1 healer survive and raise everyone. Because of how Cannons functioned. Towers+ bait followed by dodging to the safe side, and then into the second towers + baits, so you did have a lot of opportunities to get people up.

I do have to say, M7S did not have a lot of body checks, but more of a mitigation + healing check + watch where you stand, or you won't beat enrage.

As for statics, I dunno man. I have been in statics that somehow managed to be worse than the average PF, and I do have to say, that's something of an achievement on its own right.

[0blivion]

M6S is not so much when people die, but who dies. If it's the tanks, well, GL and fingers crossed! Everyone else is not that critical. You can still save the run, including missing towers, either with extra mits for the spicy dot or tank LB.

M4s did have some key moments when you had to have everyone. EE2, more than EE1, then it was Cannons, followed by transition with short opportunities for raises, because the last AOE was a semi body check, and then as soon as you changed the platform, you had another soft body check. Pvp Cannons was funny but you could still get lucky and have 1 healer survive and raise everyone. Because of how Cannons functioned. Towers+ bait followed by dodging to the safe side, and then into the second towers + baits, so you did have a lot of opportunities to get people up.

I do have to say, M7S did not have a lot of body checks, but more of a mitigation + healing check + watch where you stand, or you won't beat enrage.

As for statics, I dunno man. I have been in statics that somehow managed to be worse than the average PF, and I do have to say, that's something of an achievement on its own right.

I agree M6S towers are recoverable, but during add phase, I think basically anyone with "a job" needed to be alive. DMG doesn't matter now but when it did on MINE, damn that sucked. Admittedly, PF has been.... special. But also, I did hear of statics like yours and I express my sincere condolences. If I ever encounter you in PF I will be very nice to you.

[Crafoutis]

I can tell who doesn't play healer from the amount of people here throwing their hands up in the air and saying even if you res someone, you wipe.

It's because most people who play healer do so because they are timid and want to heal to avoid the competitive pressure of DPSing or the social pressure of Tanking, and when things to awry in their department, they crumble psychologically. (Note to any reader: if you feel this doesn't apply to you, I'm not referring to you.)

[Supersnow845]

It's because most people who play healer do so because they are timid and want to heal to avoid the competitive pressure of DPSing or the social pressure of Tanking, and when things to awry in their department, they crumble psychologically. (Note to any reader: if you feel this doesn't apply to you, I'm not referring to you.)

I guess it’s easier to come up with completely unfounded generalisations about an entire role that justifies why its partner role is so horrendously overpowered (which you just so happen to main) than it is to admit that the support roles are totally unbalanced and horrendously designed

[Tuchkin]

Another such topic? Means... It's not just one or two players who are worried about this. But for some reason, discussions about raids, savage, and other high-level activities immediately begin. However, people don't usually leave the game because of them - these are the ones who don't leave, but those who couldn't master the story content required for your character leave. The scheme works fine here: I hate it, I WON'T do it again. I think you've all forgotten why games exist at all (hint: for fun). From personal experience (and I've accumulated a lot over the decade of the game), a lot of my friends quit the game precisely because of the last add-on dungeons, specifically their crazy mechanics.

[Supersnow845]

Another such topic? Means... It's not just one or two players who are worried about this. But for some reason, discussions about raids, savage, and other high-level activities immediately begin. However, people don't usually leave the game because of them - these are the ones who don't leave, but those who couldn't master the story content required for your character leave. The scheme works fine here: I hate it, I WON'T do it again. I think you've all forgotten why games exist at all (hint: for fun). From personal experience (and I've accumulated a lot over the decade of the game), a lot of my friends quit the game precisely because of the last add-on dungeons, specifically their crazy mechanics.

Fun is at the core of everything, fun is why a lot of people hated EW because of how damn easy it was which was why people wanted DT to be harder

The fun of the people at the absolute floor is not the only consideration in this discussion, we all want to have fun

[ViinaS]

[...] a lot of my friends quit the game precisely because of the last add-on dungeons, specifically their crazy mechanics.

That's not the dungeons fault which was still easy for a dungeon at level cap.
And if your friends called those "crazy mechanics" and quit due to that then...
sorry to say, but then they lack the basic skill for playing FFXIVs base content.

The issue is also not the story (Excluding DT, man... screw DTs MSQ) but once you do all that and arrive at current content you can do that in a matter of weeks and then have to wait (and pay) for months till some recycled content comes along.

[seolhyun]

imo they just need to give trusts infinite rez or something