Frontline in Recent Time

[potatsdevourer]

Not sure where to rant about this.

Usually I could just enjoy occassional bloodbath in Frontline. Even during Endwalker time (or before role action comes into picture) there would be only one thing that had to be constantly watched out: Dark Knight's Salted Earth.

Nowadays? Good luck scoring anything when out of nowhere certain mass of individuals just jump to you with its high Battle High and on top of that the Rampage.

Guard!

Oh, nevermind. Here comes Dancer's Contradance. Or Reaper's LB.

Everything muddled and 3 minutes in, these same people already at Battle High 5.
Sure we can take 1-2 people off their Battle High, but it is easy to replenish when you just have to tag along.

And when I happen to join along their lethal wagon? Very unsatisfying. PvE is already calculated, movement is like dance steps. You saying that PvP too?

I do love it when the run was so messy on all group, though. Feels like the struggle still means something, unlike the recent development. Feels like fighting is pointless when you will be deleted 5 seconds into battle.

[Exmo]

That's premades for you

[Shadygrove]

That's premades for you

With voice chat.

[Jeeqbit]

That does happen at first, but eventually you get used to following the herd. As long as you stay with your team you usually won't get ganged. If you feel you're getting gang, time to pop defenses and try to get behind your alliance and use them as a shield. Occasionally, your alliance does nothing to defend you, but usually it initimidates them enough to retreat.

The main time I run ahead as a tank is if I have Hallowed Ground up. I use this to act as bait and push ahead. It's shocking how well this works - just me, on my own, running ahead with Hallowed Ground makes the opposing teams flee in many cases and can motivate my team to then push.

Outside of that I just push ahead slightly with my team roughly by my side ish, maybe me just slightly ahead. That way I can retreat behind them if I'm being ganged, then stun any stragglers that chase so we gang them.

To be completely honest with you, the only thing I don't like in PvP is 1-shot attacks like Samurai has. It comes completely out of nowhere, when I'd otherwise be completely confident of surviving a one-on-one duel with someone, or even a 1vs2.

[Fawkes]

I definitely feel like there's a lot of cheating that happens. Although as a solo-queue player even premades feel like playing against cheaters. But I have seen other players on my team claiming the other team was using some scripts or something.

Maybe the recent heat on the mod scene followed by SE doing nothing about cheaters has emboldened people to cheat more. Like they convinced themselves that "it's fine as long as you don't talk about it" applies to anything and everything.

[ChrysOCE]

I definitely feel like there's a lot of cheating that happens. Although as a solo-queue player even premades feel like playing against cheaters. But I have seen other players on my team claiming the other team was using some scripts or something.

Maybe the recent heat on the mod scene followed by SE doing nothing about cheaters has emboldened people to cheat more. Like they convinced themselves that "it's fine as long as you don't talk about it" applies to anything and everything.

Of course the other team is cheating. It definitely wouldn't be when your own team tries to fight an entire alliance in 1s and 2s, feeding them BH points, or fights 2nd/3rd place instead of 1st. Or people stay too long on an engagement and then feed the other team, when they become outnumbered or let the 3rd team accumulate points. Oh how about chasing a team back to their spawn point and then suddenly getting surprised when they become outnumbered and respawners can hit you with their invuln up. Yea, its cheating or premades that does that.

For the OP, if you are dying in 5 seconds of an engagement, sounds like you are pushing in with no support/teammates. Or getting caught out of position. I don't know, use the map and look at what the enemy are doing? if a dancer/reaper is running towards you, are you backing off or are you sitting there oblivious and wondering why you are suddenly getting hit with contra/hysteria?

[potatsdevourer]

Of course the other team is cheating. It definitely wouldn't be when your own team tries to fight an entire alliance in 1s and 2s, feeding them BH points, or fights 2nd/3rd place instead of 1st. Or people stay too long on an engagement and then feed the other team, when they become outnumbered or let the 3rd team accumulate points. Oh how about chasing a team back to their spawn point and then suddenly getting surprised when they become outnumbered and respawners can hit you with their invuln up. Yea, its cheating or premades that does that.

For the OP, if you are dying in 5 seconds of an engagement, sounds like you are pushing in with no support/teammates. Or getting caught out of position. I don't know, use the map and look at what the enemy are doing? if a dancer/reaper is running towards you, are you backing off or are you sitting there oblivious and wondering why you are suddenly getting hit with contra/hysteria?

Look, I admit that from time to time I got caught in the heat of the battle.

But when there were enough mass of allies on my side anyway, it is hard to not just 'sitting oblivious' as you said, when either we were trying disengaging and got annihilated by the backranges or we use Guard but we got contra/hysteria. There is no winning on this one.

Point is, once there are just enough people on enemy side with high battle high, it is hard to turn the tide back. Which, personally I think battle high is just pure cancer.


Also different complain, but lately I have to often abandon my class of choice which is BLM. Always have to change into something else just to get semblance of charging into enemies and not just keeping fleeing. Which I swear, before the role action dropped, I got to play more as BLM.

[Kohashi]

I definitely feel like there's a lot of cheating that happens. Although as a solo-queue player even premades feel like playing against cheaters. But I have seen other players on my team claiming the other team was using some scripts or something.

Maybe the recent heat on the mod scene followed by SE doing nothing about cheaters has emboldened people to cheat more. Like they convinced themselves that "it's fine as long as you don't talk about it" applies to anything and everything.

Recently, I feel like it's not so prevalent anymore; however, if you have multiple people who instantly dash to you. They have split-second decisions and side-stepping some abilities; chances are, they are cheating. The ones cheating are very obvious, however, and it's one of the main reasons why I stopped playing Frontlines in EW and why I think Frontlines and PvP in general is just meh.

[Moonlite]

I wouldn't accuse people of cheating. But I have seen a few games where it seems like the same 8 people end up together. They also all end up with 15+ kills. And there is way too much coordination going on for them not to be in chat. But it happens so rare it isn't that big a deal. Or you could have just got unlucky and players on your data centre who are 10+ kill type players all got qued together and it snowballed. SE has no balance for teams.


Now with all of that. If you are in third place and the other team has farmed kills most of the game just block them. As much as people think BH will win games. If third place decides to just block first and allow second to get all the A ranks that spawn at the end of the game, BH won't matter. I have seen a few games where teams have 1000+ points gained from kills and still lose.

[Luluna]

I have done a lot of frontlines over the years and I have seen a big shift over time. I know the players using the plugin for when I target them or go to use my LB as it is just to fast a response and I think to myself yet another person who cannot play and has to cheat lol.

I enjoy FL matches and I try my best but sometimes it is just so annoying to be teamed up with players who are throwing matches and also wtf is is with people standing with huge mounts on where I am running? so I cannot see >.<

The players who just stand at the entrance and throw matches also annoy me and it has become way worse and also the premade issue. I solo que and have to take my chances on who I get. I wish it would go back to being for my GC and not chosen for me. I know there where this also. It would be good if they maybe looked at the rewards and also stricter criteria as some players just do not care.