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  1. #11
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    Quote Originally Posted by VeyaAkemi View Post
    This is a large part of why I still wish the match against Gulool Ja Ja had been a trial instead, that fight is such a powerful vibe, but it being one-and-done(or two-and-done considering the fight against the phantom later, but that doesn't carry the same vibe), that it made me wish we could've gotten at least a EX of it, Vali can go back to FF6, fucker didn't need to be here.
    I agree. Valingarmanda defnitely didn't live for the expectations. I thought it would play an essential role in the rite of succession, like being the final challenge and the entity that would bless the winner.

    In fact, they also misled by showing the Alexandria's last boss, the Eliminator, in a way that made me think it would also have a pretty big role in the story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raikai View Post
    I agree. Valingarmanda defnitely didn't live for the expectations. I thought it would play an essential role in the rite of succession, like being the final challenge and the entity that would bless the winner.
    I didn't think that, because they teased it so much before release including in the MSQ. The lore and its theme and every "formula" thing about it pointed to it being the 93 trial and a 93 trial isn't a last boss by any stretch. I actually made a roadmap of how I thought Dawntrail would go after one of the Fan Fests on January 8th 2024 and most of it ended up being accurate, here it is (notice I placed Valigarmanda by Urqopacha). Then it just got outright confirmed if there was any doubt when Yoshi-P previewed it on stream.

    They teased Valigarmanda as something you would fight along the way and that Wuk Lamat was excited to face. They portrayed "one of the candidates has really bad views" in a way that made them seem like they were closer to a main threat and last boss than Valigarmanda, in my opinion. Which, turned out to be the case since he's the 99 trial.
    they also misled by showing the Alexandria's last boss, the Eliminator, in a way that made me think it would also have a pretty big role in the story.
    Same but I expected it given they did the same with Endwalker and SE makes a formula out of every precedent. They teased the last boss of the first and second dungeons as if they were trial bosses so that they didn't outright spoil the 83 and 89 trials, which, they had basically spoiled anyway with the "end of the hydaelyn and zodiark arc" promotional material, but they gave you that just to suspend your disbelief a slight bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raikai View Post
    I agree. Valingarmanda defnitely didn't live for the expectations.
    I didn't find Vali disappointing, as much as I found them paling in comparison to the much cooler solo duty in the same leg of the story, Gulool Ja Ja was, by every metric, the Turali counterpart to the Warrior of Light, and the feeling of facing against someone who is essentially one of your predecessors is amazing, it was amazing against Venat, it is amazing here.

    Though thinking about it, I feel you might be right that Vali would've been a better final boss, like maybe their presence could also serve to better explain Gulool Ja Ja showing up at the Golden City, other than "Gulool just planned to follow the winners all along", like maybe he had gone to Yak T'el to fight Vali again, maybe even planning a heroic sacrifice to take them down once for all, since he was by now depowered without the Head of Reason and even at their peak they could only seal Vali away, but then Wuk Lamat and Koana, with the Scions' help(including WoL as "the Scions" to be clear, WoL IS a Scion even if the term is broadly used to refer to the group outside of them), manage to strike down Vali without any losses, and Gulool gets to feel this absolute sense of pride in his children.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeeqbit View Post
    I didn't think that, because they teased it so much before release including in the MSQ. The lore and its theme and every "formula" thing about it pointed to it being the 93 trial and a 93 trial isn't a last boss by any stretch.
    I know, but they almost made explicit that the MSQ would be divided into 2 parts, the second one being north towards Solution 9, so it could somewhat match the midway through, making sense for it to be the 93 trial and the conclusion of the first part.
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    Not personally, but I think this would be cool for people who do want to do this and it seems like it would be a great way to add replayability for that content and seems like it wouldn't be that hard to implement.

    Adding a hard mode? That might take more work but still might be worthwhile. If it needed additional rewards besides personal achievement that might unbalance things in the game.
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    I would love to have a means of replaying solo duties without going through whole blocks of NG+
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    Replaying solo duties with different difficulties or challenges would be pretty neat.
    Add a title for the highest difficulty similar to duels and those could become an interesting new challenge.

    Even something in the vein of the masked carnival with solo duties in a roulette would be a nice challenge in-between.

    Would probably get more players than Forked Failure. :3
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    Quote Originally Posted by Voidmage View Post
    Even something in the vein of the masked carnival with solo duties in a roulette would be a nice challenge in-between.
    I wish they'd use the Lightfeather Proving Ground or the Ul'dah coliseum for solo challenges.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raikai View Post
    I agree. Valingarmanda defnitely didn't live for the expectations. I thought it would play an essential role in the rite of succession, like being the final challenge and the entity that would bless the winner.

    In fact, they also misled by showing the Alexandria's last boss, the Eliminator, in a way that made me think it would also have a pretty big role in the story.
    They pulled this same stunt with Anima. Just showing off a really cool boss we assume is a big trial and it wasn't. Endwalker messed around with our expectations on this front, however.

    SHB had an Lost City of Amdapor boss as a big bad in its trailer, and it wholly unrelated to that dungeon in the game outside of light themes. Even the gremlin's lines were actually things Emet-Selch would later taunt us with.
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    im just chiming in to say that you're not alone. i would love this too!
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