"Please be patient and wait until we have more details"

[IttyBittyShark]

I am not going to hype myself about 8.0 and the direction of travel as the proof is in the delivery and no amount of speculation or hope will change my opinion till the product is playable for me to assess.

I wanted to comment about YoshiP as I did find the supposed scion contention that was mentioned in the run up to Dawntrail to be interesting and after it was released to be very underwhelming, contrived and ridiculous. So i am quite cynical about future experiences and I am not naive to things that have happened from 2.0 beta onwards as a consistent subscriber but this really did bother me as a player. So judgement is really out for my future in the game as somethings that I care about do need to improve.

this was something that really irked me too. there was no tension. there were no fights. it was utterly milquetoast. i was very excited for some competition, or some ideological differences that cause a rift. nope. none of that. please enjoy peace and tacos even though urianger and thancred made the best choice with koana.

[Rithy255]

I'm neutral, I advocate for a better game still and have been sort of expecting stuff to stay the same. I still enjoy this game with my friends at times so it's likely not like ill just unsub unless they stop playing.

At the same time theirs a chance they can turn things around I think people forget back in Endwalker they still had big numbers to show what they were doing was popular, DT theirs been a clear decline through numbers which does speak louder.

I'd say just keep expectations low, don't expect better until we see better, if your only reason for playing is holding off until 8.0 I do think you should honestly try to do something else, check out 8.0 and if you don't like it really consider a long term game to spend your time playing in, for me I'll likely play more or less depending on how things go.

Please just don't get expectations too high and be disappointed been there done that with endwalker.

[Raikai]

this was something that really irked me too. there was no tension. there were no fights. it was utterly milquetoast. i was very excited for some competition, or some ideological differences that cause a rift. nope. none of that. please enjoy peace and tacos even though urianger and thancred made the best choice with koana.

I've been speculating my 'ideal' way to steer the writing about the 'sides':

- Void arc wrapped up by 6.3. 6.4 introduces Wuk Lamat and focus the patch on her. 6.5 introduces Koana. 6.55 is the exposition of the situation in Tural and both siblings plead their case.

- Expansion launches. WoL must choose which side they'll go for, and Krile decides to tag along independent of the choice.

- Wuk Lamat's side is composed of Erenville and a reimagined Namikka as a personal aide (a flex role for the Duty Support). Koana's side is as we know Thancred and Urianger. Numerically, both WoL and Krile make enough party members to fill in dungeon needs.

- The Twins are absent from this expansion's main plot. I feel their reasoning to join is quite weird... Didn't they already get all this kind of society unification experiences from other expansions? Plus, if that was really the objective, why they didn't bother to bring a Garlean along?

- The WoL joining one or the other creates a "What if" the WoL and Krile joined, scenario A/B. The path is roughly the same, but there are some key differences that will make replaying it on NG+ something interesting. Can even add an achievement/reward for playing both.

- The end result won't really matter, as it really doesn't in how they conveyed the MSQ, given both siblings end up as rulers. Here, the winner always 'offers' to the other, but in different ways.

[All_Nonsense]

Honestly the lifecycle of the game may be exhausted and we're just clinging onto it trying to get it to feel the same way it used to.

Truth is, ARR+ was only successful because they burned the entire project to the ground and started over almost completely from scratch (with some skeletal elements preserved obviously). People saying that DT is perceived to be a bad expansion only because "players can't handle another ARR" forget this fact. If Dawntrail was the new ARR, it would have been a complete overhaul in some capacity, and it would have really refreshed the game. Instead, you have a copy-pasted formulaic content roadmap, several massive duds that consumed an immense amount of developer manpower and are barely interacted with (Chaotic and Forked Tower in particular), and the story was basically a really poor attempt at copying the beats of ShB and baiting emotional moments from writing that's less compelling than the latest shonen slop.

Don't get me wrong, I still have hope, but that hope is simply hoping that they've taken their key development team members and are making a new MMO with them or something, because god knows they can't be the ones actually working on the project in a major capacity right now considering the state it's in. For now, I'll try to keep my chin up for 9 more days till my sub expires, then I'll only be back for free login campaigns and maybe a month when 7.4 drops since the only cope I have left in my system is that they're going to resurrect Brute Abominator for M11 Undertaker-style and finally do one based thing this expansion. Join me. Unsubbing is the best course of action for everyone.

[MicahZerrshia]

Even back in 1.x we would ask something and more often then not the answer was "Just wait until 2.0!" and that was it. Then they only delivered half of what they promised and under delivered on quite a few things, which caused a lot of questions, which then led to the termination of one of the best groups of community reps I have ever known and created the Great Wall of Silence that we get today where they tell us even less, explain nothing and refuse to fix systems until either the next patch, or worse, the next expansion if they bother to fix them at all. Which they usually don't.

They are so scared of any criticism that they have created an environment that is much harsher and even more critical than it should be due to the lack of communication and poorly thought out or executed, broken/awful systems they have no want to fix. So many of the problems they and we have could be fixed if Yoshida actually talked to us instead of hiding behind carefully curated questions and nothing burger talking points followed by an hour of trying to hawk their newest wares.

[ForteNightshade]

I think the devs not giving details is the problem. It is hyping up 8.0 beyond measure.

This is bad because when the first fanfest comes people will be disappointed if the Devs dont paint a clear picture.

This is intentional because they don't want to say something is confirmed only to not deliver. Does that make the vagueness better? No. But the general playerbase doesn't pay anywhere near as much attention. Which is what they bank on.

[bic12]

I think people forget back in Endwalker they still had big numbers to show what they were doing was popular

Lol what, EW saw the largest decline in playerbase. It was also the start of complaints becoming mainstream and popular (e.g. Zepla).

[bic12]

Unsubbing is the best course of action for everyone.

Yes let this game die already