Quote Originally Posted by Xenoviastar View Post
You've seem to misquote me everywhere...

When I say dps positive, it means you don't lose dps which can be equal to your normal attack. So dosis is the same dps as pneuma. Not an increase.
While toxikon is also a dps positive being the same damage as dosis. But ruin 2 for scholar is a dps lose.

Also I said sage has more dps OGCDs not overall OGCDs. Scholar only has energy drain and Baneful Impaction as OGCD dps options.

Yes I know scholar is the best damage but thats all coming from ruin and energy drain. You think im enjoying this? No.
Yes they should do better than 1211111.
A misunderstanding of words then. To expand on snow's response and why we've used the terminology that way: we generally look at "DPS positive" to mean a gain over Dosis (or whatever other flavor of DPS slop each other healer has). Since Dosis can be cast in potentially every GCD from start to finish, we compare actions to how much damage is gained or lost compared to just casting Dosis. In that sense, we can look at Dosis as a 0, healing spells as a -1 and other attacks like E. Dosis or Phlegma as +1. Since Pneuma is the same potency, it also is 0, thus "DPS neutral" as snow explained.

I take your meaning is that anything that isn't a -1 is "positive" because you're still gaining the same amount of damage. Regardless, the reason why I do not consider Pneuma to be a part of Sage's DPS arsenal is because it being neutral means there is no reason to consider the damage of Pneuma (outside of AOE which isn't a particularly important part of FFXIV's design anyway). That means for what it's worth, Pneuma is effectively just "Cure III" only without the opportunity cost of damage. I wouldn't necessarily call Toxikon "DPS neutral" for the record except for your initial three casts, because any cast beyond the third requires you first lose damage by casting a barrier, and while there will be times where casting a barrier is necessary, those are extremely rare in most content because of how Sage's healing is loaded almost entirely onto its OGCD.

I think Toxikon would be a lot better if we gained an Addersting from something like casting E. Dosis instead.