8.0 massive class balience reworking

**ty_taurus** · 09-07-2025 03:36 AM

You say you want those of us who don't believe in 8.0's ability to live up to the expectations of job design to be wrong, and to look at someone like you and go "you were right!"

Well, yeah... Me too. I think I speak for all of us who lack faith in 8.0 when I say that we would love to be proven wrong. There's not much else in the world of gaming that I'd be more happy to eat my words about than this. I don't take pleasure in doubting XIV and then being proven right. It sucks.

**Jason_Ashford** · 09-07-2025 03:39 AM

Originally Posted by Daralii

He has a very good reason to lie, and it's called stringing people along to get their money. It's like how part of he said 7.0 was the start of the new arc, it was widely disliked, and part of his response was "Uh, actually, the new arc starts in 8.0".

please cite where he said the new arc starts in 8.0, because i do not ever remember him saying that.

**ovIm** · 09-07-2025 03:40 AM

Originally Posted by HanakoTheGoth

Yoshi-P specificly said about 20 so interviews now that 8.0 is about job -re-balancing and changing there whole thought job design. countless times. if think other wise your on copium. how daft one must be think that there not gonna do anything saying it 20 or so times in last year or so even before dawn trail was released

Yoshi-P also said jobs would not get simpler in an interview that released 6 months before the release of Dawntrail. We should not be praising promises.

**Doki** · 09-07-2025 03:53 AM

I can count on zero hands the number of MMOs that have massively reworked all job classes after 10 years and it has gone well.

**Turtledeluxe** · 09-07-2025 04:15 AM

Originally Posted by Daralii

He has a very good reason to lie, and it's called stringing people along to get their money. It's like how part of he said 7.0 was the start of the new arc, it was widely disliked, and part of his response was "Uh, actually, the new arc starts in 8.0".

I would wager the bulk of subs are players who play for the story and overall vibe of an expansion and no amount of lying works on them. Hence we have DT where honestly, content in general is not that bad. Its mainly story that repelled everyone away.

Let's be honest job design was largely already ruined in Endwalker outside BLM but it was tolerated because EW was highly rated. It was only when the story went beyond the Zodiark arc that the game saw a very slow decline over a long period.

**Jeeqbit** · 09-07-2025 05:23 AM

It taking that long has nothing to do with the reworks. It's just their formula to take that long now. And we all know that once SE has a formula, they stick with it.

They talked about "Skill Trees, Talents and Ability Points" as ideas they were discussing for 8.0 in an interview prior to 7.0 release. They clarified these were just ideas being floated, and not what they would definitely do. But given just about every other game, especially in this genre, does this successfully to avoid the problems SE currently has with jobs being "samey", it's the most likely scenario.

Blue Mage has a successful implementation of this although it's not got the sort of User Interface that would accompany it in most games, so we already know it can work.

**Raoabolic** · 09-07-2025 05:37 AM

Originally Posted by Saraide

...apart from not wanting to touch combat design...

Oh boy, more 2 minute meta shenanigans and mechanics that blow up the entire pt rather than punishing the individual... ;A;

**Raikai** · 09-07-2025 08:42 AM

Originally Posted by HanakoTheGoth

Yoshi-P specificly said about 20 so interviews now that 8.0 is about job -re-balancing and changing there whole thought job design. countless times. if think other wise your on copium. how daft one must be think that there not gonna do anything saying it 20 or so times in last year or so even before dawn trail was released

Rebalancing and changing can have a lot of different levels. We may see huge changes just like we may see really superficial ones, simply because Yoshida doesn't disclose what is the design philosophy coming into this rework. We just don't know what to expect.

People like myself thought encounter design would be drastically changed based on what they hyped through Dawntrail's Fanfests - and it happens is more of the same, just faster. Still better than what we had in Endwalker, but still in their safe formula.

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