Quote Originally Posted by Vatom View Post
I’m all for bettering yourself — that’s not the issue. The problem is treating Frontline like it’s more than casual when the mode itself was never built that way. You can literally earn Battle High without a single kill, and it even has extra PvP actions that don’t exist in CC just to keep it from being overly competitive.
I'd argue that it is at least part of the issue because if you are treating FL in an 'unserious' way, there's no reason to learn the game mode or, and I know this is a dirty word for a lot of people, try.

And if we’re using Uno as an example — Frontline isn’t the “save your Reverse card for the perfect moment” kind of game.
Ya, if only there wasn't a big glowy bar...

Writing guides for that and expecting raid-level discipline just misses the point of why the mode was designed in the first place.
I'd argue guides that focus on fundamentals, map quirks, etc. are useful, as well as guides that highlight how certain jobs may synergize with each other. You're attributing things to me that weren't said -- I don't expect 'raid-level discipline' or whatever.

The point of that line wasn’t meant to be inflammatory. It was just to set an even playing field for the discussion so people don’t lean on “I’ve played X years” or “I’m this good” as a way to dismiss others. I want the conversation to stay about the design of Frontline itself, not player résumés.
I would argue that asking folks on a forum, where not many casual Andys are posting on, in the subforum for a game mode even fewer casual Andys care about, would be leaning towards folks who have experience/are enthusiasts and is naturally meant to rile folks up, intended or not.

You’re right that in the literal sense, yes, Frontline is a competition — three teams racing to a goal. My point is more about structure.

It doesn't really matter if it has ladders or whatever. The mode, by its very nature, is competitive and 'casual' games can be competitive.

Should a hypercompetitive, esports attitude be tossed at Frontlines? No. But should people be derided for trying to shotcall or play a team game...like a team game? Also no.