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    Quote Originally Posted by Valence View Post
    I'm not choosing when the roulette puts me into Crystal Tower by default which happens the majority of the time. So far I've gotten all CT and my Alliance Raid meter is lagging behind by almost 1k. I feel punished by the system while the other options don't seem to suffer from such discrepancies.
    How do I get into the other alliance raid series so I can get actual points from running it please (I can't)?

    Why isn't the daily bonus working like the xp bonus for leveling roulette for example? The bonus adjusts to the base reward of the dungeon you get and fills up the rest accordingly so that your roulette roughly gives you always the same amount for those that don't know. Why isn't this the case here as well?
    It is really odd how the CT raids seem to give considerably less points compared to level 50 duties in the other categories.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cidel View Post
    I've never bothered to time them but do those raids take over twice as long as the Crystal Tower series?
    The Nier raids are kinda notorious for having health sponges for bosses, even a really good group is gonna be in there for at least half an hour, while LotA and Syrcus take about 10-12 minutes on average.
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    Last edited by SkankyRoe; 09-04-2025 at 06:50 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SkankyRoe View Post
    The Nier raids are kinda notorious for having health sponges for bosses, even a really good group is gonna be in there for at least half an hour, while LotA and Syrcus take about 10-12 minutes on average.
    Yeah that's why it makes perfect sense for CT raids to give twice less on the base reward so that everything can be farmed equally, but when it comes to the daily bonus, this makes literally no sense at all. :/
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    Are the point disparities based off of how easy/shorter the older raids are than the later entries? I kind of find it ridiculous that the ARR raids give less than 400 while the Nier raids award between 800-999. I've never bothered to time them but do those raids take over twice as long as the Crystal Tower series?

    If so, then I can maybe understand that, but it still feels a little disappointing when you load-in and find yourself in one of the ARR ones.
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    I might guess that the base aether is based on how long the specific instance typically takes, and that the bonus aether is based on trying to make it so that each of the four roulettes gives roughly the same total aether once per day assuming some typical amount of base aether.

    Unfortunately, the Alliance Raid roulette has the most disparity when it comes to run times, and hence the most disparity in base aether.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AmiableApkallu View Post
    I might guess that the base aether is based on how long the specific instance typically takes, and that the bonus aether is based on trying to make it so that each of the four roulettes gives roughly the same total aether once per day assuming some typical amount of base aether.

    Unfortunately, the Alliance Raid roulette has the most disparity when it comes to run times, and hence the most disparity in base aether.
    With some more data, it's looking to me like this is pretty much the case:

    Code:
    Bonus, Roulette, Instance, Time taken, Base Aether, Bonus Aether, Total Aether, Base Aether per minute
    
    Daily, Alliance Raid, Void Ark,          19min, 492, 101, 593, 26
    Daily, Alliance Raid, Orbonne Monastary, 31min, 860, 101, 961, 28
    No,    Alliance Raid, LotA,              18min, 374,   0, 374, 21
    No,    Alliance Raid, LotA,              16min, 374,   0, 374, 23
    No,    Alliance Raid, Syrcus,            15min, 356,   0, 356, 24
    
    Daily, Normal Raid,   O12N,               6min, 171, 614, 785, 29
    Daily, Normal Raid,   P3N,                5min, 130, 614, 744, 26
    No,    Normal Raid,   01N,                4min, 104,   0, 104, 26
    
    Daily, Trials,        Big Bridge,         3min,  74, 614, 688, 25
    Daily, Trials,        Thornmarch,         4min,  96, 614, 710, 24
    
    Daily, x0 Dungeons,   Aetherfont,        14min, 406, 376, 782, 29
    Daily, x0 Dungeons,   Kugane Castle,     14min, 364, 376, 740, 26
    No,    x0 Dungeons,   ???,               16min, 477,   0, 477, 30

    • The daily bonus is fixed per roulette.
    • Each roulette nets you 700-800 aether with the daily bonus, excluding the Alliance roulette, whose base aether varies wildly because run times vary wildly.
    • The amount of aether per minute in the instance is roughly 25-30, though perhaps lower for lower level content such as LotA.

    Which is to say, it's feeling to me like SE set the aether numbers reasonably consistently across the roulettes, except for taking into account the fact that LotA and Syrcus are memes at this point. (And they almost certainly ignored the wildly varying times spent waiting for a queue to pop.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by AmiableApkallu View Post
    *snip*
    The base aether for any given instance also appears to be to be fixed, so basically, the amount of time it takes you to complete this one-time grind step of the relic is entirely dependent on how long it takes for your queues to pop and whether the party you end up with is S-tier professionals vs. crayon-eating bots.
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    The Alliance roulette bonus is lower than the others for some reason. Since Crystal Tower raids are likely to pop more, then what the OP says is correct. The other roulettes provide 600+ bonus points but the Alliance bonus is less than a third of this, iirc
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aco505 View Post
    The Alliance roulette bonus is lower than the others for some reason. Since Crystal Tower raids are likely to pop more, then what the OP says is correct. The other roulettes provide 600+ bonus points but the Alliance bonus is less than a third of this, iirc
    Once like Labyrinth of the Ancients are 374 bonus... Friend of mine got Thaleia (3rd EW raid) and got about 800 for a bonus. It's 100% on how new the raid is. So with the roulette being RNG, if you get Labyrinth of the Ancients then you're in short getting punished for something that's out of your control.
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    Nothing like queuing up for alliance raid roulette and not having any control over what you get then get punished for getting Labyrinth of the Ancients for a 3rd day in a row.

    If I get it tomorrow I'm just going to leave and eat the 30min ban.
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