I wouldn't mind FFXIV becoming a WoW clone in the casual/hardcore appeal if...

[kazaran]

Blizzard has lowered raised lowered raised dungeons and endgame, So has SE with XI (now concidered lower except specific new ones). Xi was redoen to be easier so new players can get through content faster, in the old days the game was very hard.

Drop rates need to change it's a tad rediculous in XIV right now. Maybe easier to gain tokens to get gear through fights.

But fights can't be to easy, Guruda and a coupel others are still a pain, but players are better now. Balance is the key. THen again Yoshi has hinted at doign away with the ability to simply tank run through a dungeon area and mobs will not simply retunrn as easy. As logng as it's not to hard.

[Huginn]

my apologies if this sounds harsh or rude, but if you want a WoW clone, just go play WoW

[XxOstiaxX]

So if you want a Xi clone go play XI ? That's how it works ?

[kazaran]

Here is the differences between wanting XIV to be more liek XI versus WOW.

XI is FInal Fantasy. XIV is final Fantasy. Most of the XI fans want to migrate to XIV. IT will sahre the lore, style, and ideas.

WOW is not FInal Fantasy. Not by a long shot. IF you want a WOW clone or WOW game in the new era, push Blizzard to stop making addons and to make a new title with a better engine. They have the money, finaces and ability. It could be a game with a better story line that pulls you into it. THen redesign the UI further, because it still needs some work.

[Velhart]

Here is the differences between wanting XIV to be more liek XI versus WOW.

XI is FInal Fantasy. XIV is final Fantasy. Most of the XI fans want to migrate to XIV. IT will sahre the lore, style, and ideas.

WOW is not FInal Fantasy. Not by a long shot. IF you want a WOW clone or WOW game in the new era, push Blizzard to stop making addons and to make a new title with a better engine. They have the money, finaces and ability. It could be a game with a better story line that pulls you into it. THen redesign the UI further, because it still needs some work.

Blizzard has openly announced several times that they have a new MMO coming out, currently only called "Project Titan".

Also, you don't see the bigger picture here. SE does not simply want to cater to FFXI veterans, they are after the big audience this time and if it means pissing off FFXI vets this time, then so be it. Even back during 1.xx's development phase, Tanaka expressed that they wanted FFXIV to be completely different from FFXI, giving you a new experience. That concept didn't go too far. Yoshida still expresses that idea and is definitely making that happen. 2.0 is definitely different than FFXI in many ways, which was their original goal.

This is the direction they are taking and FFXI veterans have two choices. One, they can either suck it up and work with the new system, or two, they can go back to FFXI (Which is getting an expansion pack by the way.), and continue playing that. I am a veteran of FFXI myself (2003-2010), and I say that change is good. I do foresee FFXIV reaching the numbers it desires, but I have a feeling it will be from a lot of non-FFXI players going into it.

[kazaran]

Blizzard has openly announced several times that they have a new MMO coming out, currently only called "Project Titan".

Also, you don't see the bigger picture here. SE does not simply want to cater to FFXI veterans, they are after the big audience this time and if it means pissing off FFXI vets this time, then so be it. Even back during 1.xx's development phase, Tanaka expressed that they wanted FFXIV to be completely different from FFXI, giving you a new experience. That concept didn't go too far. Yoshida still expresses that idea and is definitely making that happen. 2.0 is definitely different than FFXI in many ways, which was their original goal.

This is the direction they are taking and FFXI veterans have two choices. One, they can either suck it up and work with the new system, or two, they can go back to FFXI (Which is getting an expansion pack by the way.), and continue playing that. I am a veteran of FFXI myself (2003-2010), and I say that change is good. I do foresee FFXIV reaching the numbers it desires, but I have a feeling it will be from a lot of non-FFXI players going into it.

THey want to capture some of the various players yes, but the fact still remains, most of those who have supproted them, are XI vetererns and Japanee players, and it is very doubtfull SE will alienate us for the possbility of others. We are former, and current FF MMO players, The go play another game comment doesn't work, becuase we are playing the 2 games we support as well as the company we stood beind for previous work. Others excpeting the game to change to match another companies game becuase they want a new version of it isn't realistic. A japanese MMO style may not be for them if they are wanting the developers to create a title other then what they invision.

OTher then Jump, which actually was featured efore in other titles. A UI that can be pulled up in seperate windows and moved for easier use. It wil lstill be Final Fantasy. IF players want WOW type basic questing, stories, and depth, then there is wow. IF they want FF story, lore and depth, then their is FF.

Sure with GW2 there is more challenges out there. With other upcoming titles as well. What can not happen is please WOW players over FF supproters and fans when WOW players more likely are not going to stick by them and have expectations.

[Velhart]

THey want to capture some of the various players yes, but the fact still remains, most of those who have supproted them, are XI vetererns and Japanee players, and it is very doubtfull SE will alienate us for the possbility of others.

Why not? Its not like there isn't FFXI still to play. It is still up and running strong. Why not make a new game that caters to a whole new player base? They have no reason to cater to you. They want to make a game for everyone, not just FFXI players. How do you expect the game to be a massive success if they only cater to a niche group?

[fusional]

WOW is not FInal Fantasy. Not by a long shot. IF you want a WOW clone or WOW game in the new era, push Blizzard to stop making addons and to make a new title with a better engine. They have the money, finaces and ability. It could be a game with a better story line that pulls you into it. THen redesign the UI further, because it still needs some work.

the UI is fine. industry leading, actually. lern2mod, kiddo. as far as the rest, i'm getting really tired of repeating myself since you don't seem to respond to logic/reason, but here goes:

the reason your argument sounds completely idiotic is because you keep using the "go play WoW" defense without seeing how retarded it is. without seeing how it creates a double standard, since you keep beating off rift and ffxi. so let's try this one last time-

if your logic holds, and anyone who defends wow should go play wow... please cancel your account and never post here again. go play rift or ffxi and begone.

if you don't think that's fair or don't feel it in your heart to acquiesce, then you acknowledge the flaws in your logic and should thereby shut the hell up and never base an argument on this fallacious "go play ______" drivel again.

dig?

or troll on, i guess. that's probably what will happen.

[Reiterpallasch]

And if you want a clone of yourself, just be yourself!

I love the "If you want WoW, go play WoW" shit that people throw around. Now, this is gonna blow your fucking minds, but get this: You can do things similar to other MMOs without "cloning" them. You can adjust or improve them to make them your own. Games like WoW have some very good ideas that would work quite well in FFXIV. So far though it seems like people will shoot down just about every idea simply based on the fact that WoW has it, with no regard for what the actual idea is.

Know what I'd love to see in this game? An auction house. Guess what WoW has? An auction house. But I guess since WoW has an auction house, we can't have one in FFXIV because we'd just become another herpity derp derp WoW clone right?

[Gramul]

Know what I'd love to see in this game? An auction house. Guess what WoW has? An auction house. But I guess since WoW has an auction house, we can't have one in FFXIV because we'd just become another herpity derp derp WoW clone right?

Well to be fair, auction houses have existed before WoW.