Confused about the Fire/Ice mechanic in P8S

[Mr_Vain_]

Thanks for all the helpful advice on my last post, it did help. I started repeating the guide areas and focusing on the mechanics I struggled with. Made getting to Phase 2 much easier.
I've got most of the mechanics down from that from the prior attempt. Only last night, the one thing stopping my group was the Fire/Ice mechanic. We had flex players to do the fire and ice soak, but the part that keeps wiping us isn't obvious. Someone in the group was saying it was because of the positions of Fire/Ice (Like we need to stand next to each other not on top of). But I noticed some players not moving or staying in Natural Alignment.

So I'm not sure, what are the ways that this mechanic wipes?

[Jeeqbit]

There's a quiz to build muscle memory for what to do depending on the cast bars etc. Just select your role first (tank, healer, melee dps, ranged dps, etc). R1 or R2 if you're a Summoner. You can repeat it hundreds of times easily: https://noatcoimreise.github.io/natu...alignment.html

There's a cheat sheet below it to tell you all the possible positions for the role you selected. For Summoner it's "right for everything". There's also a link to the guide it is based upon, which is the general strat that everyone used for it really.

Fire hits the 3 furthest players. If you both stack, then two fires get baited in the same place since they are both the furthest players, wiping you. So for fire:

• Left side or north: Fire baiter > friend
• Right side or south: friend < Fire baiter

Ice baits the two closest players. So it's essentially the reverse (must not stack on the player that baits). However, they don't want the ice to hit the middle, because that's where the two players with the "Natural Alignment" circle are, so they are not that close. They are closest to the edge of the left or right circle in the quiz:


If the "Natural Alignment" circle players get hit, it's a full wipe, which is why they stay in the middle and must not be hit by any of these baits, nor by the north/south cleave.

There is the enemy at the left side cleaving north or south. It takes some getting used to, but got to glance quickly and see which it's cleaving, or you will get hit.

The key overall is to memorize the pattern on the floor. Notice the circles on the quiz go from the edge of the square to a triangle ^. You are never on the inner side of the triangle, because that will kill the Natural Alignment players in the middle. And that's why those players must be perfectly in the center.

[Mr_Vain_]

There's a quiz to build muscle memory for what to do depending on the cast bars etc. Just select your role first (tank, healer, melee dps, ranged dps, etc). R1 or R2 if you're a Summoner. You can repeat it hundreds of times easily: https://noatcoimreise.github.io/natu...alignment.html

There's a cheat sheet below it to tell you all the possible positions for the role you selected. For Summoner it's "right for everything". There's also a link to the guide it is based upon, which is the general strat that everyone used for it really.

Fire hits the 3 furthest players. If you both stack, then two fires get baited in the same place since they are both the furthest players, wiping you. So for fire:

• Left side or north: Fire baiter > friend
• Right side or south: friend < Fire baiter

Ice baits the two closest players. So it's essentially the reverse (must not stack on the player that baits). However, they don't want the ice to hit the middle, because that's where the two players with the "Natural Alignment" circle are, so they are not that close. They are closest to the edge of the left or right circle in the quiz:


If the "Natural Alignment" circle players get hit, it's a full wipe, which is why they stay in the middle and must not be hit by any of these baits, nor by the north/south cleave.

There is the enemy at the left side cleaving north or south. It takes some getting used to, but got to glance quickly and see which it's cleaving, or you will get hit.

The key overall is to memorize the pattern on the floor. Notice the circles on the quiz go from the edge of the square to a triangle ^. You are never on the inner side of the triangle, because that will kill the Natural Alignment players in the middle. And that's why those players must be perfectly in the center.

So nothing to do with making a triangle or standing too close to each other in those positions? No etiquette for it? because a member of the group I was in last night claimed you have to line everyone up in those stacks and not stand too close? For example, the dots have to have a gap between them otherwise it's a wipe?

[Jeeqbit]

So nothing to do with making a triangle or standing too close to each other in those positions? No etiquette for it? because a member of the group I was in last night claimed you have to line everyone up in those stacks and not stand too close? For example, the dots have to have a gap between them otherwise it's a wipe?

Assume for this that red is fire baiter, blue is ice baiter and green is the other players.

For fire, they are correct about the line up and the gap between players in that line, yes. If you stack for fire, then 2 of the furthest players are at your position, so two fire attacks will hit you, killing you. Additionally, let's say you did stack and you stacked too close to the middle, it would hit the players in the middle, killing the entire party.

For ice, the two players furthest from the middle can be stacked, but the person closest to the middle (who is baiting) must be closer than them both.

The triangle refers to the floor pattern. I recommend watching the joonbob video which explains this: https://youtu.be/jzTot-FozsA?t=103

[Mr_Vain_]

Assume for this that red is fire baiter, blue is ice baiter and green is the other players.

For fire, they are correct about the line up and the gap between players in that line, yes. If you stack for fire, then 2 of the furthest players are at your position, so two fire attacks will hit you, killing you. Additionally, let's say you did stack and you stacked too close to the middle, it would hit the players in the middle, killing the entire party.

For ice, the two players furthest from the middle can be stacked, but the person closest to the middle (who is baiting) must be closer than them both.

The triangle refers to the floor pattern. I recommend watching the joonbob video which explains this: https://youtu.be/jzTot-FozsA?t=103

I was referring to when you stack together in the corners, not hitting Natural Alignment. Where I can't figure out if we're wiping is if say, the west or east stack is standing too close to one another (away from NA), will that wipe the raid? because I see players still dying while doing the stack correctly.

[Jeeqbit]

I was referring to when you stack together in the corners, not hitting Natural Alignment. Where I can't figure out if we're wiping is if say, the west or east stack is standing too close to one another (away from NA), will that wipe the raid?

It's been a long time since I did it, so I could be wrong, but I don't believe there's a problem with stacking, as long as nobody stacks on the person baiting. Both fire and ice are just simple aoes that cover a wide area.

Let's say that they do it wrong. That wouldn't wipe the entire raid, just the people at one of the baits.

Another possible way for them to do it wrong is if the North/South cleave hits them. It's possible that could kill them and mess everything up.

The scenario it wipes the entire raid is if the two people with NA circles get hit. They must not get hit by the North/South cleaves, and they must not get hit by anyone's fire or ice baits.

because I see players still dying while doing the stack correctly.

If you mean only some players are dying but not all of them, it's because someone isn't doing it correctly. For example, if anyone stacks on the baiter, it'll bait 2 of the fire or ice to the same location. Likewise, if the baiter themselves is not far enough out (for fire) or not far enough in (for ice) then that can also cause a problem.

Using the action "Sprint" can help to get into position faster.