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  1. #61
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoreth View Post
    I think the way this post talks about 'Confederates' is more about smearing and exaggerating conservative opponents than accurately addressing historical context. It seems designed to make certain groups look extreme rather than fostering understanding or nuance.
    Your thinking is unsubstantiated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoreth View Post
    I think the way this post talks about 'Confederates' is more about smearing and exaggerating conservative opponents than accurately addressing historical context. It seems designed to make certain groups look extreme rather than fostering understanding or nuance.
    it's not smearing, or exaggerating when it is true.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zoreth View Post
    I actually do want the community to be welcoming to everyone. My point is that staff should stay neutral on real-world politics so that no one feels excluded. I’m not saying anyone should be left out—just that political activism can unintentionally make some people feel unwelcome.
    Wrong. Staff are allowed to have their own feelings on their own time. she was posting from her private account. (im assuming this is about Kate)
    "so no one feels excluded" sounds a lot like "don't rock the boat, so white nationalists dont get their feefees hurt". i can happily say i don't care at all about the feeling of someone who hates me simply for existing.
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    It's a video game I'm rather not interested in hearing anything politics in a game I play to escape the cares of real life
    that said I don't want to hear pro gov or anti gov sentiment from authorities that create the game because in the end this is a video game
    it is not going make me have some epiphany that makes me accept or reject the political messaging it is not going to change my world views.

    that said any employee of square that rocks the boat pro gov or anti gov needs to be out just like the idiot modders that advertised that they were breaking tos
    have some self control do it away from where you make your money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoreth View Post
    I think the way this post talks about 'Confederates' is more about smearing and exaggerating conservative opponents than accurately addressing historical context. It seems designed to make certain groups look extreme rather than fostering understanding or nuance.
    lmao no there are still Confederates in the US still and they don't bother hiding, they hang the Confederate flag in front of their houses and put stickers their trucks, they demand Confederate statues stay up in cities and cry if you threaten to remove them, and they scream "muh heritage!" if you call them out on it.

    Confederates were traitors to America - they started a civil war! that is by definition treason! - and it's only reasonable to call for self declared modern Confederates to be purged from the US government.

    (There are conservatives out there who are not Confederates! And they also explicitly denounce the ideology. I'm related to some of them. I support them in trying to wrest back their political party from the Confederates who have taken it over.)
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    Last edited by Catwho; 08-29-2025 at 08:01 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kahnha View Post
    It's a video game I'm rather not interested in hearing anything politics in a game I play to escape the cares of real life
    that said I don't want to hear pro gov or anti gov sentiment from authorities that create the game because in the end this is a video game
    it is not going make me have some epiphany that makes me accept or reject the political messaging it is not going to change my world views.

    that said any employee of square that rocks the boat pro gov or anti gov needs to be out just like the idiot modders that advertised that they were breaking tos
    have some self control do it away from where you make your money.
    so everything should be safe, sterile corporate slop because you personally can't be assed to think about the themes of something?
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  6. #66
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    Maybe players should stop getting into parasocial relationships with company employees? They're allowed to have lives and thoughts and opinions when they're not on the clock.
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    A Realm Reborn: Unity of Nations. Unite for the benefit of all beyond regional conflict.
    Heavensward: Unity of classes. No more of those privileged at the top taking advantage of those that were born in less fortunate conditions, liberating the nation from religious zealots who'd rather see the poor die for the sake of their holy scripture.
    Stormblood: Liberation from colonialism and conquerors, uniting peoples of different backgrounds and religions under governments that promote kindness and providing for those in need.
    Shadowbringers: Unity in the face of disaster. The world can be brought back from the brink through unity.
    Endwalker: Conquer despair through the literal power of friendship and love.
    Zero Story: Throwing away prejudice and learning to trust each other.

    OP, do you not know what game you're playing???? What kind of values do you think these devs have ALWAYS had?

    For Dawntrail, they went for super sanitized/unoffending story telling, and you want more of that??
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    Last edited by DiaDeem; 08-29-2025 at 08:04 AM.

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    Nothing like the FFXIV General Discussion forums when you need a reminder that media literacy is functionally dead these days.

    I'll just go back to my totally apolitical game about imperialism, subjugation, use of religion to control a populace, class struggles, xenophobia impeding responses to global crises, monarchistic nepotism, etc. Yup, my totally apolitical game, with zero parallels to the real world...
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    i swear conservatives and both-siders are some of the most unserious people ever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aidorouge View Post
    Yeah, they really tipped their hand with that post, lol.

    "It's the people preaching inclusion and empathy who are the REAL bigots, not the people who worship the Confederacy and Nazi!"
    who preaches inclusion and empathy for fascists and christian nationalists?

    also why wouldn't apologists for the confederacy and nazi's also not be the "REAL bigots" ?

    Their ideology by definition, is bigoted
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