Official Statement: Regarding Mod Usage and Culture

[Raoabolic]

good riddence to more than 270k players that's more than 3 million usd square stands to lose
you may be willing to pay 25+ a month to get rid of the add on users but I am sure a lot of us less needlessly spiteful players are not.
14 is not even worth 15 usd a month at this point, an anti cheat would likely cause performance issues awful take.

this guy is a prime example of why viera hats were a mistake.

Lmao, bro went full "Won't someone think of the multibillion yen company!"

[BlisteringFrost]

more than 270k was the figure the plug in dev gave in the interview then note it was just one plug in we don't know how many people use other stuffs.

The person i was replying to wanted all of those people off the game which is a poor take.

I'm gonna keep saying it; a better take and action on square's part would have been to give personal accountability to people that were belligerent TOS breakers like the guy that got banned for using ACT on stream back in 2019 you don't see people using it anymore but they still claim to use it same thing for the ERP club mare advertisements in shout chat banning these people or at least punishing them would have cut down on a lot of nonsense and it would have padded them from the fallout of just axing the plug in out of the blue.

Yeah maybe not the full 270k will leave but square doesn't want even 30k it's a lot of money to lose, they just got done begging us to buy cash shop items or sub costs would be considered for increase while putting a sale on the mog station. lol

they're already bleeding subs and they are acting hungry because of it.

You better believe to them it is all about money share holders don't care about laws they don't care about how you feel what is right what is wrong, that we had a discussion of what they should do or shouldn't all they care about and in extension square is; are profits this week, better than last week's? If they are down the share holders are mad and square is not happy with that. It's why they C&D'd mare and why they came out with this weak "we understand and won't chase you over modding letter" after the fact, because yes Balmung is easier to get into those people that spent the at least the last 2 years? (Idk about plug ins well) sharing their charas are not as interested in RP w/o being able to do so charas to one another and in the end Square allowed this to grow to that point to begin with.

30k a month is less than one persons yearly paycheck. They can stand to lose that. Japanese game devs would be paid enough yen to translate to 50-80k USD a year.

But go off, tell us more of what you know~!

[Xeronia]

If playing WoW for years taught me anything it is it takes a lot to fully kill something like this and money can be easily recovered with highly desirable shop additions. I imagine you could probably recoup the loss from anyone who unsubscribed over Mare by adding highly wanted NPC outfits/hairstyles like Yotsuyu/Gaius/Zenos and just having more shop wide sales in general.

[MsMisato]

30k a month is less than one persons yearly paycheck. They can stand to lose that. Japanese game devs would be paid enough yen to translate to 50-80k USD a year.

But go off, tell us more of what you know~!

bro you making about 450k USD a month or 5.4 Million USD a yea( this is for the standard)? I didn't think so. even then @ 9.99 USD that about 300 USD a month. or 3.5 million USD. Thats a no frills account no extra retainers, no mogstore shopping. thats not a laughable number either. thats a chunk of money if 30k players up and left.

[BlisteringFrost]

bro you making about 450k USD a month or 5.4 Million USD a yea( this is for the standard)? I didn't think so. even then @ 9.99 USD that about 300 USD a month. or 3.5 million USD. Thats a no frills account no extra retainers, no mogstore shopping. thats not a laughable number either. thats a chunk of money if 30k players up and left.

That is incorrect lmao

[Kahnha]

30k a month is less than one persons yearly paycheck. They can stand to lose that. Japanese game devs would be paid enough yen to translate to 50-80k USD a year.

But go off, tell us more of what you know~!

Tbth with you IK nothing about the logistics but I do know they do not want to lose subscribers 270k players were using the plug in that's paying square at least 2.9 million if just a small fraction of that broke off because of lack of plugs square would hate that, personally I want square to do well and I want the game to be healthy it is my favorite mmo after all.

I'd also like to point out that the viera that was talking silly removed his hat, those hats were still a mistake you're on fraud watch pal.

[Halivel]

Tbth with you IK nothing about the logistics but I do know they do not want to lose subscribers 270k players were using the plug in that's paying square at least 2.9 million if just a small fraction of that broke off because of lack of plugs square would hate that, personally I want square to do well and I want the game to be healthy it is my favorite mmo after all.

I'd also like to point out that the viera that was talking silly removed his hat, those hats were still a mistake you're on fraud watch pal.

Did all 270k actively use it, though?
Or did part of them have left the game already at some point in the past anyway, and some other part set it up and maybe used it once and then forgot about it?
That's a genuine question, because I don't know. I know that your point goes off from the other person saying they'd like see all those player gone, but still, if we're trying to be realistic, is the total count of players that registered for it truly representative of how many people used it on a day-to-day basis?

That said, I feel like people still vastly overstimate how many people will geniunely leave the game for good over Mare being taken down, considering modding as a whole didn't go anywhere, and also considering a lot of people actually do understand that using plug-ins is a "privelege" and that they're not owed it.
There's also a chance that is much higher than zero that some players will take a break and then come back. We've seen plenty of times even on forum how people say "I'm leaving the game", but then keep posting on here, meaning they didn't, in fact, leave (because you need an active subscription and to log in at least once in last couple of weeks. I know because I was offline for about a month once due to health issues, and then when I tried to post, the forum knocked me off with a "uhhmm sorry looks like you weren't online in the game lately, try again later" message).

[MsMisato]

That is incorrect lmao

by all means show your math then.

[Kahnha]

Did all 270k actively use it, though?
Or did part of them have left the game already at some point in the past anyway, and some other part set it up and maybe used it once and then forgot about it?
That's a genuine question, because I don't know. I know that your point goes off from the other person saying they'd like see all those player gone, but still, if we're trying to be realistic, is the total count of players that registered for it truly representative of how many people used it on a day-to-day basis?

That said, I feel like people still vastly overstimate how many people will geniunely leave the game for good over Mare being taken down, considering modding as a whole didn't go anywhere, and also considering a lot of people actually do understand that using plug-ins is a "privelege" and that they're not owed it.
There's also a chance that is much higher than zero that some players will take a break and then come back. We've seen plenty of times even on forum how people say "I'm leaving the game", but then keep posting on here, meaning they didn't, in fact, leave (because you need an active subscription and to log in at least once in last couple of weeks. I know because I was offline for about a month once due to health issues, and then when I tried to post, the forum knocked me off with a "uhhmm sorry looks like you weren't online in the game lately, try again later" message).

wouldn't be able to tell who was active on the thing all I can give is the dev's statement that there were 270k users he was using an offset of a main plug that modders use, from my understanding so it is likely more people than just 270k using add ons o the game. xD

Again the person I was replying to was very see the world burn about it which is again pretty stupid of a take.

mods are against TOS but square has done sweet FA to stop them from doing it. if Plug ins was an issue it should have been nipped at the bud
but square ignored it, not a smart moves and even getting rid of them wouldn't be smart because it is open that square takes note of mods that add QOL to the game banning the original mod creators... speech bubbles it was a mod, the improvements made to gpose mode... mods among many other things.

[BlisteringFrost]

by all means show your math then.

You do not have any force capable of obligating me do humor you. You have google. Use it.

Or don't.