The main problems of FFXIV

[AvoSturmfaust]

At what point does this stop being a 'player problem' and start being a 'the devs need to do smth different if the community doesn't want to play a lot of the stuff they put out' problem? Bc I think we've long since made it to the latter.

not possible in a game like final with the community, or better said in a MMORPG

What do you expect that the Dev do? They bring the same amount Content even if its the same Formula then other MMOs do, why are people not happy here but in other games they are?


People refuses to raid, people refuses to do extreme trials, people refuses to even do DUNGEONS at this point because the dungeons are too "hard"

We get 24 Raids (Normal + Savage)
3 Alliance Raids
I think around 9-10 Dungeons
We got this Expansion a Chaos Raid, a new Exploration Zone and a Raid for it
We got Cosmic Exploration
We get a Deep Dungeon
We get Variant Dungeons again
We have our 3 Beasttribes

so far on, we got more as enough Content the Issue is PLAYERBASED because if i would refuse to do half of the Content of course i would be bored but People need to understand Gear Progression and Endgame is always based on RAIDS and CHALLENGES, there is not one MMO out there without Raids oh wait, there is Runescape but yea then maybe just go play Runescape?

And even if its the same Formula all the time why complain about it if you dont even do the Content ?

[Aviatorhead]

not possible in a game like final with the community, or better said in a MMORPG

What do you expect that the Dev do? They bring the same amount Content even if its the same Formula then other MMOs do, why are people not happy here but in other games they are?


People refuses to raid, people refuses to do extreme trials, people refuses to even do DUNGEONS at this point because the dungeons are too "hard"

We get 24 Raids (Normal + Savage)
3 Alliance Raids
I think around 9-10 Dungeons
We got this Expansion a Chaos Raid, a new Exploration Zone and a Raid for it
We got Cosmic Exploration
We get a Deep Dungeon
We get Variant Dungeons again
We have our 3 Beasttribes

so far on, we got more as enough Content the Issue is PLAYERBASED because if i would refuse to do half of the Content of course i would be bored but People need to understand Gear Progression and Endgame is always based on RAIDS and CHALLENGES, there is not one MMO out there without Raids oh wait, there is Runescape but yea then maybe just go play Runescape?

And even if its the same Formula all the time why complain about it if you dont even do the Content ?

Ok but like. Clearly there is some sort of issue if people don't even wanna touch the content. Let alone the fact the game is down smth like 40% of subs (that number miht be wrong but the game is absolutely seeing less players than usual)

You can say there's tons to do. I didn't say there wasn't. I said for some reason people aren't liking it, and it isn't our job to bend over backwards and enjoy the stuff served to us regardless of the quality; i pay a sub. If I don't like it, I'm not gonna play it, and enough people have expressed that, that the game is actually facing some financial difficulties + yoshi is talking about making content that more people can actually engage with.

The idea that 'more content' means more stuff to do isn't true when noone wants to do that stuff. What I expect from the devs is to not make stuff like the absolute disaster that is FT, make content that is actually fun and not just regurgitated grind bait like CE, and not make us sit on terrible job design for years, making the rest of the content suck bc Jobs are half the game, so if they suck everything else is dragged down with em.

[Nyastra]

Ok but like. Clearly there is some sort of issue if people don't even wanna touch the content. Let alone the fact the game is down smth like 40% of subs (that number miht be wrong but the game is absolutely seeing less players than usual)

You can say there's tons to do. I didn't say there wasn't. I said for some reason people aren't liking it, and it isn't our job to bend over backwards and enjoy the stuff served to us regardless of the quality; i pay a sub. If I don't like it, I'm not gonna play it, and enough people have expressed that, that the game is actually facing some financial difficulties + yoshi is talking about making content that more people can actually engage with.

The idea that 'more content' means more stuff to do isn't true when noone wants to do that stuff. What I expect from the devs is to not make stuff like the absolute disaster that is FT, make content that is actually fun and not just regurgitated grind bait like CE, and not make us sit on terrible job design for years, making the rest of the content suck bc Jobs are half the game, so if they suck everything else is dragged down with em.

I get it, I truly do. But honestly, I think the bigger issue lies with the players. No matter what the devs release or change, some people will be upset, and some won’t — it’s always going to be like that.

Yes, some things aren’t perfectly thought out or ideal for certain players, but changing them could just make others unhappy — like healing becoming way harder or less effective. And I’m not saying they shouldn’t change things! If they want to, by all means. But it does circle back to one side of the coin being happy, and the other side upset.

You’re right though, if you don’t like it, don’t play it.

The fact is, FFXIV can’t bend to every whim, no matter how much we might wish it could. And maybe that’s okay — maybe it’s just run its course for certain people, and that’s fine.

[AvoSturmfaust]

Ok but like. Clearly there is some sort of issue if people don't even wanna touch the content. Let alone the fact the game is down smth like 40% of subs (that number miht be wrong but the game is absolutely seeing less players than usual)

You can say there's tons to do. I didn't say there wasn't. I said for some reason people aren't liking it, and it isn't our job to bend over backwards and enjoy the stuff served to us regardless of the quality; i pay a sub. If I don't like it, I'm not gonna play it, and enough people have expressed that, that the game is actually facing some financial difficulties + yoshi is talking about making content that more people can actually engage with.

The idea that 'more content' means more stuff to do isn't true when noone wants to do that stuff. What I expect from the devs is to not make stuff like the absolute disaster that is FT, make content that is actually fun and not just regurgitated grind bait like CE, and not make us sit on terrible job design for years, making the rest of the content suck bc Jobs are half the game, so if they suck everything else is dragged down with em.

I will probably now get hated because about what i want to say but i dont care
People dont wanna touch that content not because the content is bad, its because the people are bad, ffxiv created with the ToS and the anti toxic behaviour in the past a bubble where every trash player founds his home, now we have people which cant even press 2 buttons back to back and standing there doing as dps like 10k dps while getting carried through the content and exactly these people are a majority force now which complain about everything

I say it again, the content is not bad, the people are bad, they dont wanna do any content which isnt possible to do with 2 buttons every 5s and that is the main problem of the game, the game was way to good with them in the past

[Valence]

not possible in a game like final with the community, or better said in a MMORPG

What do you expect that the Dev do? They bring the same amount Content even if its the same Formula then other MMOs do, why are people not happy here but in other games they are?


People refuses to raid, people refuses to do extreme trials, people refuses to even do DUNGEONS at this point because the dungeons are too "hard"

We get 24 Raids (Normal + Savage)
3 Alliance Raids
I think around 9-10 Dungeons
We got this Expansion a Chaos Raid, a new Exploration Zone and a Raid for it
We got Cosmic Exploration
We get a Deep Dungeon
We get Variant Dungeons again
We have our 3 Beasttribes

so far on, we got more as enough Content the Issue is PLAYERBASED because if i would refuse to do half of the Content of course i would be bored but People need to understand Gear Progression and Endgame is always based on RAIDS and CHALLENGES, there is not one MMO out there without Raids oh wait, there is Runescape but yea then maybe just go play Runescape?

And even if its the same Formula all the time why complain about it if you dont even do the Content ?

Perhaps you should be actually happy people still care, because in SE's famous words, it's when people stop caring and just leave silently that the problems actually start to become an emergency.

Personally I do the content at least once and I try it. Then I give my opinion, which has gotten more and more negative over the years. Then I get told to just leave the game if I don't enjoy it (which I'll eventually do when there is literally nothing left that I do enjoy for sure). And when I don't enjoy something I stop engaging with it, quickly rejoining the ranks of people that don't play the content. I've stopped raiding because fuck what pve has become, I've stopped running dungeons lately almost to an absolute minimal degree (I have yet to run the new dungeon or trial even a second time). Now that I'm a casual I wanted to augment my tome gear by doing alliance raids weekly but even this I can't be arsed to do anymore. They suck.

What do you want me to do, lose my mind running brainless slop like fate or hunt trains or spend my time in excruciatingly painful saucer minigames because that's content too by the way? wHy aM i nOt eNgAgInG wItH fIsHiNg all my life??

Then we go back to square 1 where people just leave the game. Do you realize that once they have all left you're the one left sinking with the boat right?

The fact is, FFXIV can’t bend to every whim, no matter how much we might wish it could. And maybe that’s okay — maybe it’s just run its course for certain people, and that’s fine.

Keep telling yourself this while the subs are dropping. We'll see where it goes.

But if Yoshida is serious about steering back to something new, not only about new DT content but 8.0, then we'll see I guess? Kinda sick to constantly be promised change but nothing ever happens though.

[Nyastra]

I will probably now get hated because about what i want to say but i dont care
People dont wanna touch that content not because the content is bad, its because the people are bad, ffxiv created with the ToS and the anti toxic behaviour in the past a bubble where every trash player founds his home, now we have people which cant even press 2 buttons back to back and standing there doing as dps like 10k dps while getting carried through the content and exactly these people are a majority force now which complain about everything

I say it again, the content is not bad, the people are bad, they dont wanna do any content which isnt possible to do with 2 buttons every 5s and that is the main problem of the game, the game was way to good with them in the past

Nah, I hear you. I get why some people don’t want to do the content for that reason, but that’s the same reason some of us avoid it too. I don’t want to deal with players who get upset over minor mistakes in something that’s supposed to be a fun time. For me, it’s easier to just not do it. I don't do on content EX trials, or savage or ultimate. I am not a "bad" player, I'm average by all means, but I do not want to be crucified for accidently screwing up my combo or stepping off a platform or whatever. Been there, done that.

[Nyastra]

Perhaps you should be actually happy people still care, because in SE's famous words, it's when people stop caring and just leave silently that the problems actually start to become an emergency.

Personally I do the content at least once and I try it. Then I give my opinion, which has gotten more and more negative over the years. Then I get told to just leave the game if I don't enjoy it (which I'll eventually do when there is literally nothing left that I do enjoy for sure). And when I don't enjoy something I stop engaging with it, quickly rejoining the ranks of people that don't play the content. I've stopped raiding because fuck what pve has become, I've stopped running dungeons lately almost to an absolute minimal degree (I have yet to run the new dungeon or trial even a second time). Now that I'm a casual I wanted to augment my tome gear by doing alliance raids weekly but even this I can't be arsed to do anymore. They suck.

What do you want me to do, lose my mind running brainless slop like fate or hunt trains or spend my time in excruciatingly painful saucer minigames because that's content too by the way?

Then we go back to square 1 where people just leave the game. Do you realize that once they have all left you're the one left sinking with the boat right?



Keep telling yourself this while the subs are dropping. We'll see where it goes.

But if Yoshida is serious about steering back to something new, not only about new DT content but 8.0, then we'll see I guess? Kinda sick to constantly be promised change but nothing ever happens though.

Bro it's not that deep lmao. Honestly. If subs drop and the game comes to an end then what? So freaking what? We find another game and move the heck on. Devs aren't our personal little developers to do with as we please. And as long as they make money, as long as people are willing to spend money, it is what it is. Go ahead and find something else if you are so unhappy about the whole thing.

[Aviatorhead]

I will probably now get hated because about what i want to say but i dont care
People dont wanna touch that content not because the content is bad, its because the people are bad, ffxiv created with the ToS and the anti toxic behaviour in the past a bubble where every trash player founds his home, now we have people which cant even press 2 buttons back to back and standing there doing as dps like 10k dps while getting carried through the content and exactly these people are a majority force now which complain about everything

I say it again, the content is not bad, the people are bad, they dont wanna do any content which isnt possible to do with 2 buttons every 5s and that is the main problem of the game, the game was way to good with them in the past

I dunno how you would quantify that past you see people complaining a lot. But if you're right, which I really don't think you are as I have a lot of friends who DO do the harder stuff and aren't playing rn because the current content is boring- if the game is truly turning enough people away because they dont even wanna attempt harder stuff? That is still on the devs. They make the content, it's their job to make people wanna play, and if the ENTIRE low-player base issue rn is just 'nobody wants to actually put in the effort to play the harder content' then the content has to change in someway. Not necessarily make it easier, but make it appealing enough for people to actually want to put in that effort.

But I don't agree with you that this is even the bigger problem. The jobs bave been homogenized, the story is widely hated, and the gameplay we've been given so far has been a mix of more of the same or too convoluted for most people to wanna attempt (chaotic+ FT being the big ones). There are just so many things that suck abt the game right now that the notion of 'players are just bad and don't wanna try' is very obviously not the main issue.

[Valence]

Bro it's not that deep lmao. Honestly. If subs drop and the game comes to an end then what? So freaking what? We find another game and move the heck on. Devs aren't our personal little developers to do with as we please. And as long as they make money, as long as people are willing to spend money, it is what it is. Go ahead and find something else if you are so unhappy about the whole thing.

I'm not totally sure what you're trying to say at this point. We should just shut up and leave when we're not happy with something we pay for? I mean, if it works for you, that's fine I guess? I'm not going to do a seizure if they don't listen to my feedback. But I still care enough to give it.

[BlisteringFrost]

At what point does this stop being a 'player problem' and start being a 'the devs need to do smth different if the community doesn't want to play a lot of the stuff they put out' problem? Bc I think we've long since made it to the latter.

That's still a player prooblem. You're playing in a sandbox with 20 different toys. If you only like 1 of the 20 and you're getting bored with it, then start applying critical thinking skills.