Extreme Dungeons

[Valence]

The problem with Criterion is that it's really just three 4-man extreme fights with some corridors connecting them.

Not exactly what I would like out of my dungeon experience, if I only wanted to fight a single boss in a square/circle arena I already have enough options for that.

Ironically the only thing that's not asinine in Criterion were the corridors with the trash, which is proof they can design fun and different things if they try. And difficulty wise? It's literally what's people have been asking between lukewarm dungeons where you press one button and clear it anyway and challenging content where you have to wipe 100+ times on a single boss to progress.

[Rithy255]

Didn't they say this was going to happen with variant and criterion dungeons? more or less with scaling difficulty content... Could be wrong here.

Eitherway i think having difficulty scaling rather then just one easy mode and one hardcore mode would be a good place to start.

[Absurdity]

Didn't they say this was going to happen with variant and criterion dungeons? more or less with scaling difficulty content... Could be wrong here.

Eitherway i think having difficulty scaling rather then just one easy mode and one hardcore mode would be a good place to start.

Smoothing out the difficulty curve is definitely a good idea, instead of facerolling through "normal" and then hitting a brick wall as soon as you step into higher-end content.

[Rithy255]

Smoothing out the difficulty curve is definitely a good idea, instead of facerolling through "normal" and then hitting a brick wall as soon as you step into higher-end content.

Honestly one of the games biggest flaws is that you play content that's hilariously easy you can get past it without paying attention or something that takes a guide for most people to understand, even ext (something people consider midcore) 90% of the people doing it will look at a guide first.

Even if it was something like the with the scale you'd take more damage, New mechs or harder variations of mechs would start to show up, slowly a less forgiving enrage It would make a pretty fun and replayable model that wouldn't likely be too difficult to do.

[Saraide]

Different tiers of difficulty are not an inherently bad idea but SE refuses to adress the core issue and that is boring job design. The massive gap between normal mode and hard mode is because of this. Jobs are by and large too easy to play so the only way SE has to create difficult encounters is to crank up the encounter difficulty to 11. It's the reason for the excessive body check fights, SE has no other recourse because they refuse the obvious solution: changing their job design philosophy.

[Raoabolic]

Different tiers of difficulty are not an inherently bad idea but SE refuses to adress the core issue and that is boring job design. The massive gap between normal mode and hard mode is because of this. Jobs are by and large too easy to play so the only way SE has to create difficult encounters is to crank up the encounter difficulty to 11. It's the reason for the excessive body check fights, SE has no other recourse because they refuse the obvious solution: changing their job design philosophy.

They won't mess with class design unless they rip out the foundation that caused this mess. Three words: "two minute meta". Until they stop designing and balancing jobs around this crutch, job design will always be hamstrung by that simple fact.

[Commander_Justitia]

They won't mess with class design unless they rip out the foundation that caused this mess. Three words: "two minute meta". Until they stop designing and balancing jobs around this crutch, job design will always be hamstrung by that simple fact.

I hope they do stop designing it around that.

Seeing WoW making a 1 button spam that performs better than 75-90% of the playerbase depending on job - feeling like FFXIV will implement something similar soon though...

[theunhappypotato]

I hope they do stop designing it around that.

Seeing WoW making a 1 button spam that performs better than 75-90% of the playerbase depending on job - feeling like FFXIV will implement something similar soon though...

they most likely wont cause the whoel game since SHB has been designed around it

[Absurdity]

they most likely wont cause the whoel game since SHB has been designed around it

And it has gotten incrementally worse since then, at some point they need to realize that the ShB design direction has driven the pve combat and job design into a corner.

And that corner is not a very interesting one.

[Valence]

They won't mess with class design unless they rip out the foundation that caused this mess. Three words: "two minute meta". Until they stop designing and balancing jobs around this crutch, job design will always be hamstrung by that simple fact.

Sure, but the 2min meta is just the tip of the iceberg, or the tree that's hiding the forest.
Jobs were already boring before the 2min meta was even a thing, and it happened somewhere between SB and SHB.