Time to ban parsing Square Enix

[Uzephi]

I think if the devs just perma-banned anyone with a parse listed on fflogs it would solve the problem instantly. They showed us on Friday that they are not afraid to rip off band-aids by taking out Mare to prevent another "red dot in ultimate" incident. It's time to take out the parsers too and finally get the game back on track

The bad thing about that is it logs every party member, even ones oblivious to people running ACT. You do know quite a few of your cruiser weight normal runs are on that site also. Do you use ACT?

[Valence]

I think if the devs just perma-banned anyone with a parse listed on fflogs it would solve the problem instantly. They showed us on Friday that they are not afraid to rip off band-aids by taking out Mare to prevent another "red dot in ultimate" incident. It's time to take out the parsers too and finally get the game back on track

They went after the creators of Mare and the infrastructure supporting it, not the users.

[Kohashi]

I think if the devs just perma-banned anyone with a parse listed on fflogs it would solve the problem instantly. They showed us on Friday that they are not afraid to rip off band-aids by taking out Mare to prevent another "red dot in ultimate" incident. It's time to take out the parsers too and finally get the game back on track

Well, see ya then ))))))))). I am sure that would solve the red dot problem..

[AvoSturmfaust]

I 100% AGREE! Parsing doesn't tell the whole story. only envious ELITIST stalkers/ paranoid players use it to rage bait on reddit and any other social media platforms.
I'm glad that SE took down mare <3 hope that God forsaken parsing is next to be taken down.

Seems like you have no idea what you are talking about or you like to ragebait, but i eat the bait

parsing or ACT/FFLogs actually TELLS THE WHOLE STORY

Did i clip?
Didnt i use a GCD in time?
Did i double Weave a certain Skill with too much Animation Lock
Did i get a wrong Snapshop?
Which add targets me?

Everything, every little bit is in it, there is nothing you cant see, so like i said it tells you the whole story

[Gurgeh]

All this is so sad.
All it would have taken is a bit of leadership from SE, and frankly a modicum of leadership and bridge building from the highly influential creators, setting a good example, asking their raiders to compromise "juuust a little", to bring along inexperienced players and keep it friendly welcoming, in content that was patently for all to have a go at... and this could all have been avoided.
If they had wanted to seal the deal, the instance designers could even have toned down Chaotic and FT, to make it welcoming.Less than a few less body checks, a few more ressess, a queueing system that has received 5 minutes of forethought. But no. Someone just did what they thought was cool and clever, and would impress the people they wanted to impress.
They could have really used this expansion to bring what even during Endwalker was a fairly cohesive optimistic community together. Instead everyone that could have helped has utterly "sundered" it, and I have never had a reason to use that word in my life before.

Its just so sad.

If SE had any sense they'd create a special an extensive questionnaire, under the mogstation, for people who came back for the free login but still didn't stick around. I've already put more effort into feedback than I should without first being paid for it. I thought I might again to be helpful but, I just can't see it even as my business anymore irrespective of how much I might want to help.

Have they still not updated the leaver's questionnaire?
How on earth they could ever begin to claim they are making an effort to improve the game, if they can't be bothered to spend even 1 man day's worth of working hours, to at least improve that questionnaire, it's a really low bar for improvement.
No effort. It's so incompetent.

It was torture trying to get the new content to queue this evening for a second run. That was on light. Love to say I had fun but, that was such a downer to see. New content with almost zero incentive for replayability, and even going out of your way to try, the experience is bad.
So sad.

[Shinku_Tachi]

Personally, I'm on PS5, so I couldn't use if I wanted to, but I don't see the issue.

The result of being in a group with a parser user is what?

Either we're all doing enough as a group, so the readings don't matter.
Or we're not doing enough, and if I'm coming short, one of my friends in the group will help guide me in the proper direction.
Or, someone in the group is a toxic ******* and they're either removed or I find another group; and I blist them, and go about my day.

[Mikuyo]

I think if the devs just perma-banned anyone with a parse listed on fflogs it would solve the problem instantly. They showed us on Friday that they are not afraid to rip off band-aids by taking out Mare to prevent another "red dot in ultimate" incident. It's time to take out the parsers too and finally get the game back on track

(I want to be clear: I do not condone or personally use any third party tools or plugins. What follows is just my own opinion based on personal research and understanding of the situation.)

Starting off, using that logic, you yourself would be banned. Just having a number on fflogs doesn't mean you personally used a parsing plugin or uploaded the log. Anyone in your party could have done so.

Also, it's not accurate to compare parsing plugins to mare. Players using mare weren't banned, the person who created and hosted it received a cease and desist. That likely happened for two main reasons: 1, it exposed minors to inappropriate content, and 2. it included monetized mods, which directly violates the tos since profiting off se's game assets isn't allowed.

There's also a misconception floating around in this thread that parsing "is just a number" with no value other than stroking egos. That's incorrect. Parsers provide detailed combat feedback which go far beyond what the "duty recorder" could do. And while yes, parsing plugins and uploading logs are against the tos, there's a clear difference: mare users openly advertised the mod in search info and talked about it daily, even to the point of dming other players, while players hosting parsing parties get banned simply for having "parse" in the pf listing. The dev behind the parsing plugin also didn't monetize their tool; it just reads the combat log. If it involved money making or exposing minors to explicit content, se would absolutely step in the same way, just as they did for the stalking plugin.

At the end of the day, I understand why people are upset about mare being removed, and that frustration is valid. But trying to justify it by calling for every single tool or plugin to be issued a cease and desist, without really understanding how they work or why some are more problematic than others, just doesn't make sense.

[Bryson]

I think if the devs just perma-banned anyone with a parse listed on fflogs it would solve the problem instantly. They showed us on Friday that they are not afraid to rip off band-aids by taking out Mare to prevent another "red dot in ultimate" incident. It's time to take out the parsers too and finally get the game back on track

so ban players just because they happened to have been playing with someone who uploaded the fight?

by your logic, you'd be banned right now. Care to know how you did in cruiserweight normal?

[Mikuyo]

It makes perfect sense, mods are against the ToS, none of them should be subjected to "special treatment" just because the people who hated Mare love a different mod instead.

If these people are adamant that the ToS MUST be upheld, while citing things like "it breeds toxicity" or "it makes the community look bad" then Mare should have been a double-homocide with ACT filling the other grave ... and yet oh boy look at all the people trying to make excuses for why THEY should be able to break the ToS and behave inappropriately while they do it. Because let's be real, the people mocking Mare users sound exactly like the kind of people that would mock people for low numbers too, it's the same kind of "high horse holier than thou" attitude.

I understand your concern, but you're comparing stealing a loaf of bread to committing a violent crime. Both are technically against the law, but they aren't treated the same way, and it's the same with the terms of service. Square Enix isn't going to handle every violation with the same level of action.

Think of it like how RMT results in a permanent ban on the first offense, while using bad language in chat usually gets a warning instead. Both break the rules, but the severity and impact are completely different.

Players who harass or mock others over numbers (or just poor performance in general) already get banned when reported. Yoshi P has openly said multiple times that parsing is not tolerated, and players caught using these plugins do indeed get banned. That's not in dispute. But to claim that se's legal team will pursue the devs of parsing tools in the same way they went after Mare completely ignores context.

Mare was targeted because it stole assets from other games, monetized se's assets, and exposed minors to potentially explicit content. That's a legal and reputational liability for se in a way that a combat log reader simply isn't.

So while your frustration is understandable, the argument here feels more driven by emotions than logic. Parsing tools and Mare aren't remotely the same situation, and treating them as such misses why se acted the way that they did.

[Manamaru]

Incorrect. WoW is officially adding a damage meter to Midnight, more like get with the times.

https://wowvendor.com/media/wow/damage-meter/

Parsing already encourages incidences of rescuing others out from DPS LB3'ing to actually clear the content. It'll just make people want to sit in garbage and draw out the fight just so they can pump up their meters instead of killing the boss.