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  1. #31
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    The people using the tool in question were not playing ffxiv, they were playing an illusion, a game that never officially existed. It is sad for those that enjoyed it, but it was never real and at some point just had to go. There was a decent chunk of players quitting because it existed and some of them are actually coming back now that it is gone. Personally i am happy that SE finally chose to enforce their stance against TOS breaking tools after being asked so often about it.
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  2. #32
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnnRam View Post
    If the only reason you are subbed its because Mare then you never liked the game at all.
    Big problem really is the huge content drought between the patches. Mare could have just been the thing that kept players active between content drops.

    When it takes 4 months for them to release content, and first month of sub is enough to clear the content, there's 3 months of "nothing" which they may have earlier filled with player-created content, where as now they simply let their subs expire.
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  3. #33
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anzaman View Post
    Big problem really is the huge content drought between the patches. Mare could have just been the thing that kept players active between content drops.

    When it takes 4 months for them to release content, and first month of sub is enough to clear the content, there's 3 months of "nothing" which they may have earlier filled with player-created content, where as now they simply let their subs expire.
    This is the biggest issue here... majority of the development lifecycle has people relying on player curated content to fill that void, whether that is going to venues, doing RP, posing, parsing, doing fish trains, etc., -- a lot of it is player curated, and frankly if they targeted other tools then people would very quickly come to realize that the reliance on third-party for a lot of folk is just more widespread than just Mare, for instance.

    You would see a similar reaction if they actually went after other tools.
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  4. #34
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaurhz View Post
    This is the biggest issue here... majority of the development lifecycle has people relying on player curated content to fill that void, whether that is going to venues, doing RP, posing, parsing, doing fish trains, etc., -- a lot of it is player curated, and frankly if they targeted other tools then people would very quickly come to realize that the reliance on third-party for a lot of folk is just more widespread than just Mare, for instance.

    You would see a similar reaction if they actually went after other tools.
    did they agree to the ToS? because I think they did meaning that they agree to not use third party tool because like someone else's said in Japan it is illegal to use mods and even punished with prison time. omg SE is a company in Japan!!! who would have know! but on all seriousness they did agree to it and they have well let it slide alots then people became bold and to bold so they took action
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  5. #35
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    They're not going to suddenly start saying mods are okay just because you guys whine about it enough, even though they've been happy to just leave it alone all these years. Clearly something happened that forced their hand into getting involved so I dunno, blame the mare dev or blame the community, but don't blame the videogame company that explicitly stated they're not allowed.
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  6. #36
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nero-Voidstails View Post
    did they agree to the ToS? because I think they did meaning that they agree to not use third party tool because like someone else's said in Japan it is illegal to use mods and even punished with prison time. omg SE is a company in Japan!!! who would have know! but on all seriousness they did agree to it and they have well let it slide alots then people became bold and to bold so they took action
    I mean, this salad is all well and good, but their ToS is practically so inconsistently enforced that it may as well not exist in basically 99.9% of cases, but I hope that everyone coming around with this so nonchalantly will take up that good fight for them to actually properly and rigorously enforce their own ToS, otherwise it's pretty hard to ignore that it's just a thinly veiled attempt at trying to virtue signal.

    The issue is probably far far less to do with the fact that people were noisy about it... They have been since the inception of the tool. They are most likely far more concerned with it leveraging the same thing that the stalker one used (Which was also fairly recently hit with a C&D.
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  7. #37
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    Your friends were breaking the rules of the game by modding it. They should be happy the mod got banned and not them. If they're raiders I bet they cheat at that too.
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  8. #38
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    this isn't an airport
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  9. #39
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaurhz View Post
    I mean, this salad is all well and good, but their ToS is practically so inconsistently enforced that it may as well not exist in basically 99.9% of cases, but I hope that everyone coming around with this so nonchalantly will take up that good fight for them to actually properly and rigorously enforce their own ToS, otherwise it's pretty hard to ignore that it's just a thinly veiled attempt at trying to virtue signal.
    If this was about violating the ToS, there are far easier options: GM gaol, account suspensions and bans, etc.

    If this was about using mods and plugins, far more players would have been targeted.

    A cease and desist to a specific individual is basically a lawyer asserting that some legal line has been crossed that's worth dragging said individual into court over.
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  10. #40
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shialan View Post
    It's wild how people like you celebrate for people to get fed up with this game.

    Like, you do realize that you gain nothing from players leaving, right?
    where do you see me celebrating any of this? its wild how bad youre reading comprehension is
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