Please stop destroying the playerbase + fix blacklist

[TBerry]

a yes please keep breaking the ToS that you all agreed to good idea yes. overall I think it's a good thing for the RP community because now everyone is on the equal field meaning no more discrimination on people who play on console.

Purely relying on mods is just lazines and bad practice, IMO.

[Nero-Voidstails]

Purely relying on mods is just lazines and bad practice, IMO.

I do agree yes because oh god it was hostile >~>

[Antharaes]

All this drama over an illegal mod...really.

[Kohashi]

While I understand that the TOS was technically broken, I still think this was a bad decision. I've heard assumptions that Mare was removed because it collects player data in a similar way Playerscope did. But this issue will persist until player IDs are properly protected from within the game itself. Everything else is just a bandaid, and deep down, I think we all know that.

It's pretty clear that SE showed they are simply incapable of addressing the issue without probably going towards either more drastic changes or breaking even more stuff in the process.

Rolling back the update on how the Black List function does not seem to be a solution for whatever reason.

[xbahax92]

I'd be more than happy to purchase stuff from the cash shop, but when prices are what they are.. think I'll pass.

Leisurewear Attire 17.5 euro? Nah, I'll go buy some indie game, maybe two (or three) with said amount of cash.

Trust me, same here. But their practices is beyond understanding and I feel like we're about to see even more from now on.
The last 3-parts set was just testing grounds. How far customers are willed to pay for seperate items.

And the double dye system? Only a farce to attract people paying expensive dyes in the mog station.
Jetblack dye as well as Pure white are still scarce, any server has around 500k Gil for 1 dye. You need to pay additional retainers to obtain more venture boxes.
I doubt that one "meaningless" plugin was the end of this.
But either way, I'm seeing reports of ppl getting temp banned ingame. Enjoy everyone!

[Anzaman]

But either way, I'm seeing reports of ppl getting temp banned ingame. Enjoy!

Huh, interesting. Maybe I'm just on wrong forums as I haven't seen anybody mention that yet.

Or Reddit mods are too efficient at deleting those posts, who knows.

[Kaurhz]

The number is not so big as to destroy the player base, but when coupled with already dwindling numbers, that have dwindled significantly enough as to raise questions in meetings.. Not exactly the brightest of ideas.

On the note of 'healing this game', like... Simmer down, seriously LOL... This game probably relies on third party, just as much as what the community inhabiting this game do.

[Johners]

Mare users genuinely have their head up their own backsides, they never carried the game. You can point out the game's declining performance but it peaked pre-Mare when WoW was in a bad state and everyone was stuck at home during the COVID pandemic. WoW was always going to recover and the gaming industry was never going to sustain those COVID numbers. Even in this "bad state" of XIV, the game is still profitable. As for Square Enix collectively, they made some bad choices with NFT games and are now making a long-term stranegychange under their new CEO. The company isn't dying, far from it.

I'd argue the game has actually suffered from the spike in popularity alongside an unsustainable "don't ask, don't tell" moderation status for third-party tools. It wasn't just Mare, there's a ton of other tools that haven't gotten very good as the larger player base meant more reasons (and more money being donated) to develop these tools. Certain WoW guilds streamed blind XIV clears and even financially contributed to the development of certain UI/raiding third-party tools.

On the topic of WoW and WoW guilds, the lead game designer of WoW was recently on Echo's Race to World First livestream. Meanwhile, in FFXIV, Square Enix no longer recognise the world first savage and ultimate clears at all due to one too many cheating scandals. All the legitimate players have been missing out on the potential of recognition because some players abused the trust (mis)placed onto the community.

The discrepancy between the haves and have nots, regardless of playing PC or console, has grown far too large. Square Enix needs to course correct the "don't ask, don't tell" policy with proper moderation of their game. That's not just issuing a round of legal takedowns every few months on the main third-party tools, they need a better toolkit to actually protect the game client. Ultimately that means a modern, kernel-level anti-cheat.

The Windows version is only two months away from only supporting Windows 11 and hardware that officially matches the requirements for a normal, out-of-box installation. There's no reason why they couldn't license something like Easy Anti-cheat (or any other solution) while also requiring Secure Boot/TPM for the game to run.

I feel this might only be a matter of time anyway, especially as all the main QoL requests are on course to be added before/by the release of the next expansion pack. It'll be interested to see if they use the first Fan Fest to announce this or just quietly drop the information in a blog post somewhere.

[ViinaS]

I's pesky how people just constantly ignore the issues that may arise if people that liked Mare quit.

It's not purely about the Joe-Shmoe that used it to attend venues. It's the ones behind those venues that put effort into it all and organized the player driven content.

The strawman of all users of Mare being pure RP Limsa AFKers is also just dumb.
These were people that needed Mare to stay subbed?

Why is that? It is cause that was the content that made them subbed after they were done with the patch or expansion content after a month and had a content drought like everyone else for 3-4 months till the next patch (depending how fast they were done with the new content).

They may not quit, but will turn from constantly subbed to "eh maybe this month to keep my house or when the new content for 2 weeks drops"

And I hope they do, SE deserves to make less money if they only shovel out content with no longevity every 4-5 months.
Ideally they finally add more QoL and RP features into the game (NOT via the cash shop SE, I know what you are thinking)

Hope certain people can still understand that and look past their hateboner while drowning in smugness.

[AnnRam]

If the only reason you are subbed its because Mare then you never liked the game at all.

Moving to SL would be better for those who are sad that SE decided to apply their own TOS.